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EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by sebastiennight »

carlesfe wrote: post #67
wiradikusuma wrote: post #61

From Google: "The law seeks to require digital platforms and messaging services (like WhatsApp and Gmail) to automatically scan users' private messages, emails, and photos to detect and report illegal content" -- EU policy makers are really honest people, hats off to them. There's no way politicians in my country allow their chats to be scanned, because they're very corrupt.

EU politicians are exempt from this measure. They thought it all the way through. (Edit: seems that the statement above applies to ChatControl 2.0, not the approved text. Apologies.)

What are the criteria to be covered by this "secrecy" exemption?

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Post by joe_mamba »

buellerbueller wrote: post #408
joe_mamba wrote: post #379

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>That kind of stuff is really weird, even weirder is that such an emergency measure can be activated without countries being in active war or the like. What's also just as weird is how the EU can just straight up sanction, debank and make European citizens virtually homeless overnight, without even a trial day in court. Absolutely insane. This is some NAZI/USSR shit, except you don't get executed, you just get derank…

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Jacques Baud (Swiss) and Xavier Moreau (French) citizens, got sanctioned by the EU[1] on the basis of "acting as mouthpieces for pro-Russian propaganda and spreading conspiracy theories". Sanctioning means asset freezes, debanking and travel bans, virtually a slow and painful sentence to homelessness and death since you won't be able to travel, have a bank account, a job, own or rent anything under sanctions.

I don't have a problem with them sanctioning people, I have a problem when it's not done by a judge but a snap decision done by bureaucrats without a public trial/hearing where the individuals get a chance to defend themselves for what they're accused of, especially when it's just for the act of speaking, even if we disagree with what they speak.

Because otherwise the EU is no different than a monarchic or totalitarian dictatorship who has people executed for speaking bad things against it, and there's nothing stopping them from doing the same to you, me and everyone else here for wrong speak against the crown's interests.

[1] https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:L...

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Post by watwut »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #377
bluescrn wrote: post #307

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They thought climate change was the next war-level crisis, and worked towards that. They didn't anticipate the Ukraine invasion, or the Middle East blowing up again.

> They didn't anticipate…the Middle East blowing up again Yes, interesting that the People dropping bombs did not anticipate blowing up. Our elites have revealed many flaws recently, but one I did not expect is that they have surprisingly limited intelligence.

EU did not dropped bombs.

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Post by ivan_gammel »

Pragmata wrote: post #360
ivan_gammel wrote: post #257

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How did you connect the linked Wikipedia article to EU courts and ECJ? This journalist was not sanctioned by the court.

The court approved the sanctions when he tried to challenge them.

I do not think this is true. Do you have any proof? I‘m aware only of German court refusing to apply urgent procedure to unblock his bank accounts. The sanctions were applied not that long ago for him to get decision by German courts or ECJ.

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Post by Anduia »

buellerbueller wrote: post #408
joe_mamba wrote: post #379

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>That kind of stuff is really weird, even weirder is that such an emergency measure can be activated without countries being in active war or the like. What's also just as weird is how the EU can just straight up sanction, debank and make European citizens virtually homeless overnight, without even a trial day in court. Absolutely insane. This is some NAZI/USSR shit, except you don't get executed, you just get derank…

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They're describing EU sanctions on individuals, just very dramatically

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Post by watwut »

akimbostrawman wrote: post #316
inferniac wrote: post #121

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>for no apparent reason, lately. for some godforsaken reason left-lib parties in europe think accepting infinity migrants forever is the most important thing to do this is becoming more and more unpopular with the voters, leading to right wing parties surging across europe (Denmark, which has an immigration restrictionist left wing government doesnt seem to have an issue here, true mystery) obviously the solution her…

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Fascist and nazi are political movements. It is not dehumanizing to call fascist movements fascists

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Post by tryauuum »

EGreg wrote: post #397
tryauuum wrote: post #341

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> new technology that is designed to balance interests on all sides and actually enforce the guarantees IN CODE AND PROTOCOLS. They will just call your code illegal in law. And if you will run it anyway, use deep packet inspection to drop your protocol packets, like they do in Russia

Unless they have backdoors to absolutely every form of encryption, including https certificates, etc. you can always use that to tunnel through. https://www.reddit.com/r/privacytoolsIO/comments/cukcaf/goog...

Today they already analyze the SSL handshake and traffic patterns in Russia. And if your valid https traffic crosses the border but doesn't behave like https (I don't know how they do it. Frequency of TCP packets and their size and the delay between?) your IP-address will be blocked

I want to stress that I'm speaking from experience. I personally installed a telegram proxy project which aimed to mirror the pattern of traffic and fool the censors

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Post by IanCal »

sneak wrote: post #263
mrtksn wrote: post #14

FTA: What changes with the return of Chat Control 1.0—and what stays the same: *What is coming back:* US tech companies are once again allowed to scan private messages without a warrant or prior suspicion. This affects direct messages on platforms like Instagram, Discord, Snapchat, Skype, and Xbox, as well as emails via Google’s Gmail and Apple’s iCloud. *What remains unchanged:* Public social media posts and files h…

> What is coming back: US tech companies are once again allowed to scan private messages without a warrant or prior suspicion. This affects direct messages on platforms like Instagram, Discord, Snapchat, Skype, and Xbox, as well as emails via Google’s Gmail and Apple’s iCloud. They are already allowed to do this, and already are doing this. When you provide data to the service provider in a non-e2ee fashion, it's the…

They aren’t allowed to do whatever they want with your data, there’s strict restrictions on requiring consent for things you want to do with user data.

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Post by bko »

spikels wrote: post #347
teekert wrote: post #38

This is a nice piece of democracy right here: "a measure it had rejected twice in March. Although a majority of voting Members of the European Parliament (MEPs) actually opposed the regulation (314 against, 276 in favor, 17 abstentions), the motion to reject it failed to secure the required absolute majority of 361 votes. As a result, mass scanning is now permitted again until 2028." "Oh no we can't get a majority to…

Not only was Chat Control 1.0 already rejected twice by the European Parliament but: - This vote took place on last day of the session when many MEPs had already left for Summer vacation - 112 MEPs of 719 didn't vote. - The vote was called only two days before as an "Rule 170 - Urgent procedure" - 73 MEPs missed the vote making it "urgent". Normally it takes months of procedure to come up for a final vote.

That's why you have a constitution with rights that are not up for vote.

Even relying on people to vote no is not enough.

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