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Re: PlayStation can delete all your digital games after 3 years of inactivity (EU)

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Post by Tostino »

Grombobulous wrote: post #138
Tostino wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People get busy... I was building my startup around that time period, and didn't really play games for ~5 years. Why would I reward a company that already stole from me with another purchase?

If I was too busy building my startup while my Starbucks Frappuccino melted, Starbucks didn’t “steal from me.” I understand living by your principles but in my experience, the process of running a pirated server/clients is enough of a pain that it’s not worth $30 of anyone’s time, even if it’s the second time you’ve had to pay it in the span of multiple decades.

Ah, yeah...that's exactly the same thing. Great point. Totally changed my mind!

Edit: Your edit clarifies things a bit. Eh, I got my start in software development working on an emulated Lineage 2 server ~20 years ago, and eventually building my own server from the ground up which extended the game in ways that the normal servers / client didn't support. I think tinkering is fine if that's what interests you.

I don't spend much time these days with games (compared to the past) regardless.

Re: PlayStation can delete all your digital games after 3 years of inactivity (EU)

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Post by Grombobulous »

Tostino wrote: post #141
Grombobulous wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I was too busy building my startup while my Starbucks Frappuccino melted, Starbucks didn’t “steal from me.” I understand living by your principles but in my experience, the process of running a pirated server/clients is enough of a pain that it’s not worth $30 of anyone’s time, even if it’s the second time you’ve had to pay it in the span of multiple decades.

Ah, yeah...that's exactly the same thing. Great point. Totally changed my mind! Edit: Your edit clarifies things a bit. Eh, I got my start in software development working on an emulated Lineage 2 server ~20 years ago, and eventually building my own server from the ground up which extended the game in ways that the normal servers / client didn't support. I think tinkering is fine if that's what interests you. I don't…

Is it not the same thing?

Microsoft has never revoked a Minecraft license (fraud/abuse notwithstanding). You just have to do basic account maintenance like keeping your email up to date and you had to respond to emails to complete one single account migration in 15+ years. Microsoft asked you to do one 5-minute thing in the span of 15 years.

I am a little surprised that someone who built their own startup is so opposed to the idea of personal agency. This seems like you’re taking a victim’s mentality.

If I stored my Myst CD-ROM in a moldy basement for 30 years and it got ruined that way I don’t get to complain about having it stolen from me. Clearly by my lack of action I didn’t care about that possession that much in the first place.

Re: PlayStation can delete all your digital games after 3 years of inactivity (EU)

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Post by ornornor »

thewebguyd wrote: post #140
ornornor wrote: post #116

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There is a strike or demonstration of sorts every other day in France. Or so it seems living there. It’s become so frequent that it has little to no meaning anymore. The government is scared to implement any meaningful change because it’s guaranteed there’ll be a strike or demonstration of sorts. And so we continue towards the wall pedal to the metal.

A democratic government should exist only by the consent of the governed. The government should be terrified of the people. Of course you have to be able to filter out the signal from the noise and majority vs minority desires, but by and large if a change is majorly unpopular, they should be terrified of trying to push it through.

That’s not how it is there though. Any change whatsoever, justified or not, is opposed. So the government goes for bust and makes changes that help the biggest companies, the richest in the country, friends of the president (whoever they are, different presidents same joke) because it’s going to be a struggle anyway so it might as well payoff for their friends. Plus they need the wealthy’s support (they own the newspapers and media)

And so we’ve given up on the train for instance because when it’s not striking it’s broken down for some reason.

Retirements and social security, same thing, the only changes made was for the industry not for the people. And we’re careening into the wall.

Re: PlayStation can delete all your digital games after 3 years of inactivity (EU)

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Post by Forgeties79 »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #102
Forgeties79 wrote: post #89

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I understand my question was a bit flippant but truly, this doesn’t answer it.

The true answer here is that people went where the games went. And those AAA distributors preferred a middleman doing everything for them in exchange for getting a cut. From there, AA and indies went to the middleman because they more or less had to to compete. Whether or not you consider market capture the whims of the consumer or a natural consequence of capitalism is a more philosophical question to ask. On a more…

It is market capture, and you don’t get to just hand wave it away with how it’s only philosophical. It has real world ramifications, it is a real consequence that can put consumers under duress (distorting the market) and/or leave them with no viable alternatives (which a free market is allegedly supposed to prevent)

Re: PlayStation can delete all your digital games after 3 years of inactivity (EU)

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Post by monocularvision »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #136
monocularvision wrote: post #128

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So the EU commission put out a rule that you say has been widely misunderstood and implemented via malicious compliance. Where is the EU statement and education on this? Why aren’t they louder in explaining this isn’t what they wanted? And they allow their own websites to do the very thing that they supposedly don’t want? Do you maybe want to reconsider? Perhaps instead companies are putting in a good faith effort to…

No need for a conspiracy. There was the DNT standard, companies made more money from not taking it into consideration. That's it. They chose the annoying banners, then they chose dark patterns on those banners. It is a choice. At best they were lazy and greedy. At worse they were malicious.

Don’t change the topic.

The general council (lawyers) at companies are making the decisions around cookies banners and the like, not the folks trying to make money. Regardless of how you might interpret the law and requirements around GDPR, the legal profession as a whole seems to think the crap we live with today is necessary. If it isn’t, it’s on the EU technocrats to clarify in communications, written rules, and on their own damn website what it is supposed to look like.

Re: PlayStation can delete all your digital games after 3 years of inactivity (EU)

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Post by citizenpaul »

buran77 wrote: post #28
Xeoncross wrote: post #6

You know, all those people making new n64, playstation, and gameboy titles might be onto something. Apart from steam, I don't think I've heard anything but bad news from modern consoles.

> Apart from steam, I don't think I've heard anything but bad news from modern consoles. Gabe is in his mid 60s, I'm prepared that in the next decade or so there will be a change of guard at Valve and the slow train of enshittification will get moving. P.S. There's been a lot of groupthink and bandwagoning for Valve, ignoring all the dirt under the rug. But at the end of the day, by comparison, they are the best beha…

Gabe is off forming a cult which I assume will consume his focus for the remainder of his life. I'm dead serious he is basically straight up copying Ron L Hubbards, cult on a boat playbook. (related but kinda mean, he is not really health conscious so he is not gonna live to be 90 or anything.)

IDK what this means for the steam platform but I'm guessing it will mean change of some sort.

Re: PlayStation can delete all your digital games after 3 years of inactivity (EU)

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Post by DANmode »

Grombobulous wrote: post #134
DANmode wrote: post #111

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Pirated and modded scene is the place to be anyway - so I hear.

Modded, yes. The Minecraft mod scene is incredible. The Create mod ecosystem is my favorite. Pirated? Really? How cheap are you guys? It’s a $30 game with all ~15 years of content updates included. I’m not trying to be some kind of corporate bootlicker here but I think you have to have apathy toward taking care of the stuff you own to have failed to get your Minecraft license converted from the Mojang account.

Not a player, but at one stage I believe there were mods that only ran on older, pirated builds.

Re: PlayStation can delete all your digital games after 3 years of inactivity (EU)

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Post by opan »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #129
opan wrote: post #112

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Modern controller DNA goes back to the PS1, first to have 4 shoulder buttons and two analog sticks.

Fair but the form factor is completely different. Dreamcast/xbox I’d consider the real base for modern controllers. But my original point is that once the 360 controller came out everyone (except Sony) has basically 90% copied it. Everything before is pretty distinct.

While Switch is 360-esque now, the Wii Classic Controller had symmetrical sticks at the bottom, Wii U Pro Controller and GamePad had symmetrical sticks on top. So Nintendo wasn't totally committed to the 360 design even if the GameCube controller was almost there before. (Not gonna count the Wiimote as it's a little too different) Steam Deck and Steam Controller have symmetrical sticks as well. I don't think it's as clear cut as you say. 8BitDo and GuliKit have controllers in both form factors also (released in the last 2 years even). Also worth noting that XInput has been holding back PC controllers so that anything more ambitious than a 360 controller is hard to get working. Microsoft is also the only controller manufacturer to not put gyro in their controllers.

Re: PlayStation can delete all your digital games after 3 years of inactivity (EU)

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Post by akramachamarei »

PaulHoule wrote: post #24
echelon wrote: post #11

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Huge capital overhead. Exhausting mid-lifecycle crunch that makes or breaks the next gen. Multiple giants. Meanwhile Steam just casually absorbing everything. It doesn't matter that it's porous. And now suddenly - hardware costs you can't tip toe schedule around. The console business is shitty.

Talk to console gamers and they still think the PC is sweaty and playing on the PC is like putting your hands in the toilet. I mean, I remember the 1990s when kids were playing flight simulators with this huge plastic joysticks that were always falling apart and needed to be calibrated every five minutes. It's not like that anymore, with Steam Big Picture and either an XBOX ONE or PS4/5 controller your PC is a better…

> Talk to console gamers and they still think the PC is sweaty and playing on the PC is like putting your hands in the toilet.

The kind of ridiculous sweeping generalization that discredits the rest.

Re: PlayStation can delete all your digital games after 3 years of inactivity (EU)

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

monocularvision wrote: post #145
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No need for a conspiracy. There was the DNT standard, companies made more money from not taking it into consideration. That's it. They chose the annoying banners, then they chose dark patterns on those banners. It is a choice. At best they were lazy and greedy. At worse they were malicious.

Don’t change the topic. The general council (lawyers) at companies are making the decisions around cookies banners and the like, not the folks trying to make money. Regardless of how you might interpret the law and requirements around GDPR, the legal profession as a whole seems to think the crap we live with today is necessary. If it isn’t, it’s on the EU technocrats to clarify in communications, written rules, and o…

Two things can be true.

And clearly, you think billion-dollar companies making dark patterns, ignoring web standards and choosing to track people left and right are less to blame the inconvenience of a banner (that warns you they do) than the people trying to protect your privacy and did it imperfectly.

I have made enought web sites and app that don't have a banner to know it's perfectly possible, even today.

I have implemented DNT support and know it was a great solution before it was taken away.

I have worked with enough clients to know why they chose the banner anyway.

Unlike you I actually read the law, and worked at implementing it. Including with and without a banner.

So I have to conclude you are not an honest actor in this debate, and you are clearly angry as well.

So I'll leave you at that.

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