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PlayStation can delete all your digital games after 3 years of inactivity (EU)

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Re: PlayStation can delete all your digital games after 3 years of inactivity (EU)

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

tzs wrote: post #105
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #17

And consumers will cry about it for about 5 minutes, then go back to reward the company. When HP started making printer cartridges that expired even when they were still full, people complained—then bought more. When Microsoft let the web stagnate with IE6, people complained, then turned around and did the same thing with Chrome. When Apple deliberately put a bug in the iPhone that caused the Home button to fail, pus…

> When Microsoft let the web stagnate with IE6, people complained, then turned around and did the same thing with Chrome. How so? I see more complaints about Chrome implementing things that Firefox and/or Safari do not than complaints the other way around.

There is 15 years of documentation of this. This is explained in countless threads in HN.

I'm tired boss.

Re: PlayStation can delete all your digital games after 3 years of inactivity (EU)

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

j1elo wrote: post #65
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh no, I remember well. At some point, everyone at the software home button on their phone setup, because the physical button was sometimes working and sometimes not. Apple issued a statement saying it was a hardware failure and there was nothing they could do. A hacker later on proved they were lying by patching the software and showing the problem went away. That's why I'm scrapbooking every article about the trump…

"Error 53" from 2016, maybe? * Error 53: Exposing An Apple Scandal -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWE4mwhjNY4 * ‘Error 53’ fury mounts as Apple software update threatens to kill your iPhone 6 -- https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/feb/05/error-53-apple... * Apple apologises for iPhone 'error 53' and issues fix -- https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-35611756

It's another one, I actually didn't know about this one. Saving.

Re: PlayStation can delete all your digital games after 3 years of inactivity (EU)

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

handoflixue wrote: post #37
mindcrash wrote: post #22

Closing inactive accounts in the EU is due to (interpretation of) certain provisions set in the GDPR (e.g. article 5 - https://gdpr-info.eu/art-5-gdpr/ ) and Sony is not alone, many services in the EU automatically close and delete orphaned accounts after a given amount of time, and if they are international ones even when they don't outside of the EU. If implemented correctly the affected person is also warned/notif…

The problem with email is that it's an email address from 3+ years ago, which means there's a much higher chance of it being out of date - are you still using XxCoolDude67xX from high school? Consoles area also marketed heavily towards older teenagers and younger adults, who are exactly the ones unlikely to maintain a consistent email address. And of course if your email provided decides to cut you off, or goes out o…

The solution to that is to allow people to set an additional email address for the account and then maybe allow them to disable the original after a period of time.

Re: PlayStation can delete all your digital games after 3 years of inactivity (EU)

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Post by RugnirViking »

adolph wrote: post #61

This isn't surprising given how different businesses may value a payment against an ongoing obligation to customers. @patio11 had a good podcast about this "Cash received is not revenue earned" last April. What the GoDaddy CEO said in many interviews and investor presentations is: "Look, since we're not going out of business, and since the cost of serving domain names is essentially the same whether we're serving a m…

what debt does the comapny owe, given his observation that the marginal cost of serving another customer is zero? sure, if they stopped serving them, theyd have a problem, I agree there. But when you try to value the liability here, its surely not very big? Thats what he's saying.

Same here with these games. All sony has to do is not delete your games. They still keep your account, and your payment info and a hundred other things. but the cost of keeping a binary "owns/doesnt own" on their database is suddenly too much?

Re: PlayStation can delete all your digital games after 3 years of inactivity (EU)

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Post by wolpoli »

reaperducer wrote: post #67
PaulHoule wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whatever you think about Microsoft, they are a good steward of their platforms and go to extremes to maintain backwards compatibility -- even if they are always moving your cheese in the UI.

Whatever you think about Microsoft, they are a good steward of their platforms and go to extremes to maintain backwards compatibility This is the same company that closed its e-book store, and everyone lost the libraries they'd worked so hard to curate.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I recall they did give a full refund when they shut down the ebook platform.

Re: PlayStation can delete all your digital games after 3 years of inactivity (EU)

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Post by doublerabbit »

tzs wrote: post #105
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #17

And consumers will cry about it for about 5 minutes, then go back to reward the company. When HP started making printer cartridges that expired even when they were still full, people complained—then bought more. When Microsoft let the web stagnate with IE6, people complained, then turned around and did the same thing with Chrome. When Apple deliberately put a bug in the iPhone that caused the Home button to fail, pus…

> When Microsoft let the web stagnate with IE6, people complained, then turned around and did the same thing with Chrome. How so? I see more complaints about Chrome implementing things that Firefox and/or Safari do not than complaints the other way around.

Microsoft dragged their heels hard when Firefox 3 came to the scene. IE6 was the browser at the time. Chrome was a concept and Opera at least pushed to keep up but surrendered and went to Chrome.

Re: PlayStation can delete all your digital games after 3 years of inactivity (EU)

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Post by monocularvision »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #120
monocularvision wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it’s malicious compliance and not required why does the EU Commission website have it? https://commission.europa.eu

Because if enough idiots do it, stupid managers think it's the standard. The EU Commission is unlikely to know anything about their website, it's made by some department that blindly follows a manager's order that just looked at what others did and copied it. We could all have used the DNT header as a bypass when the GPDR came out, and you can still use cookies for non tracking purposes without any banner.

So the EU commission put out a rule that you say has been widely misunderstood and implemented via malicious compliance. Where is the EU statement and education on this? Why aren’t they louder in explaining this isn’t what they wanted? And they allow their own websites to do the very thing that they supposedly don’t want?

Do you maybe want to reconsider? Perhaps instead companies are putting in a good faith effort to comply. I have been invoked in discussions around legal compliance of all sorts of regulation and trust me: no one has ever ever expressed “let’s do some terrible thing because we disagree with regulation”. It’s conspiratorial thinking.

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Post by Forgeties79 »

opan wrote: post #112
Forgeties79 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Xbox’s stock controller since the 360 is hands down the best controller out there. Every other good controller is basically a variation of it lol

Modern controller DNA goes back to the PS1, first to have 4 shoulder buttons and two analog sticks.

Fair but the form factor is completely different. Dreamcast/xbox I’d consider the real base for modern controllers. But my original point is that once the 360 controller came out everyone (except Sony) has basically 90% copied it. Everything before is pretty distinct.

Re: PlayStation can delete all your digital games after 3 years of inactivity (EU)

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Post by adolph »

RugnirViking wrote: post #124
adolph wrote: post #61

This isn't surprising given how different businesses may value a payment against an ongoing obligation to customers. @patio11 had a good podcast about this "Cash received is not revenue earned" last April. What the GoDaddy CEO said in many interviews and investor presentations is: "Look, since we're not going out of business, and since the cost of serving domain names is essentially the same whether we're serving a m…

what debt does the comapny owe, given his observation that the marginal cost of serving another customer is zero? sure, if they stopped serving them, theyd have a problem, I agree there. But when you try to value the liability here, its surely not very big? Thats what he's saying. Same here with these games. All sony has to do is not delete your games. They still keep your account, and your payment info and a hundred…

Maintenance isn't cost-free. As an example, the operating system and other software dependencies of the game depends will eventually be depreciated and not supported.

If a security vulnerability is discovered in software still available from company servers but the teams that built it have moved on, what is the company's liability for recomposing teams in order to make a fix that does not negatively affect other aspects of the software?

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