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Re: Cloudflare Drop

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Post by afavour »

ddtaylor wrote: post #115
arcatech wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you see a group of people being critical, you can either see it as a “bummer”, or you can see it as people critically thinking about a thing. Is it really more useful to have everyone expressing how much they like something instead of identifying problems? Is seeing people talking about the things they don’t like something that makes you unhappy? Why?

I think the HN rule for "curmudgeonly" applies. > Don't be curmudgeonly. Thoughtful criticism is fine, but please don't be rigidly or generically negative. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I think HN should be a place where I am excited to see what others have to add. When I see a post I am excited to see what takes and spins others have on it. I do want real criticism and a lively debate about import…

Discussing the privacy implications of a big box that says "drag files to me!" is thoughtful criticism.

I would get the point if this was someone's personal Show HN project but this is Cloudflare. They can withstand a little critique.

Re: Cloudflare Drop

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Post by lschueller »

iamleppert wrote: post #280
gpt5 wrote: post #198

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Perhaps the same way that Github works when you host your web page there. I.e. A revocable, limited license, where you retain full ownership, and only grant them permission to host and serve your content + a limited set of other uses, and you dictate external licensing?

Here, drop all your data into this vortex -- we need it for our next web site builder AI model.

Yes, but this is the perfect circle of slop: generate an ai landing page, throw it into cloudflare drop, ai adopts it, start all over again. For genuine, professional content, I would assume, almost no one uses cloudflare drop, as they already have something in place to test and quickly host some page. Moreover, I expect that scammers and phishing campaigns will have a use for it to quickly up some landing page without leaving a large footprint.

Re: Cloudflare Drop

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Post by throw10920 »

stackghost wrote: post #145
ddtaylor wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the HN rule for "curmudgeonly" applies. > Don't be curmudgeonly. Thoughtful criticism is fine, but please don't be rigidly or generically negative. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I think HN should be a place where I am excited to see what others have to add. When I see a post I am excited to see what takes and spins others have on it. I do want real criticism and a lively debate about import…

There needs to be another rule against being a techno-sycophant.

I think I might agree, but just so we're clear: what exactly is a "techno-sycophant"?

Re: Cloudflare Drop

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Post by dspillett »

tremon wrote: post #254
PurpleRamen wrote: post #208

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Can this be a necessary legal framing for technical purposes, to allow converting of pictures to different resolutions, or adapt the content to mobile views, and such things?

To me this looks like legal preparation for selling their users' datasets for AI training purposes.

This is more-or-less standard boilerplate from _long_ before the current AI training even existed. It basically means “we can do anything we like with it, now and at any time in the future, including selling it and passing these rights on to anyone else we chose, but don't take ownership so we can't be held responsible for it”.

Officially it means they can legally do wat you want them to do (present the content to users, perhaps transforming it in various ways for some or all viewers), but of course it covers them being able to do far more than that.

Re: Cloudflare Drop

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Post by dspillett »

ak39 wrote: post #238
PurpleRamen wrote: post #208

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Can this be a necessary legal framing for technical purposes, to allow converting of pictures to different resolutions, or adapt the content to mobile views, and such things?

Unlikely. It goes further by also using the word "exploit". If they needed permissions for conversion, they'd have made a specific mention of that and thereafter confirmed legal ownership.

TBH, I like that the word “exploit” is in there. It feels more honest and if it were not present!

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Post by dspillett »

simonjgreen wrote: post #201
thelibrarian wrote: post #193

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If you don’t give them a license to display the works you give them to display, how can they legally display it?

Perpetual and irrevocable? Derivative works?

Derivative works I understand. That would include transforming the content for some/all viewers. Making it mobile-friendly or otherwise reformatting for display, for instance, or adding affordances for accessibility, or for long content adding a generated summary.

Irrevocable and right-to-sublicense are the red flags for me. Nothing a company sells to us is irrevocable, but everything they take from us is expected to be.

Re: Cloudflare Drop

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Post by jmaw »

jamesfinlayson wrote: post #103
hoherd wrote: post #73

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I thought it was a reference to the Mac OS X `~/Public/Drop Box` directory, which was a write-only place for people to send files to your user, which has been around since the first OS X beta came out in 2000.

I vaguely remember being told to put assignments in a drop box (like a mail box on campus) in the mid 2000s at least, and I'm sure it wasn't a new concept then.

I haven't done that on campus, but I've left my keys in the mechanic's key drop box when dropping of a car overnight!

Re: Cloudflare Drop

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Post by jkman »

zeratax wrote: post #247
karlkloss wrote: post #186

Does nobody read the fineprint? By submitting, posting, or publishing your content, suggestions, enhancement requests, recommendations, feedback, information, data, or comments (“Content”) to any Website or Online Service, you are granting Cloudflare a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free right and license (with the right to sublicense) to use, incorporate, exploit, display, perform, reprodu…

every website ever (except for github) has this exact same clause and everytime it's posted online, people freak out about it lol

>"everyone is doing it so stop complaining bro!!!!"

Re: Cloudflare Drop

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Post by throawayonthe »

blueflow wrote: post #265
karlkloss wrote: post #186

Does nobody read the fineprint? By submitting, posting, or publishing your content, suggestions, enhancement requests, recommendations, feedback, information, data, or comments (“Content”) to any Website or Online Service, you are granting Cloudflare a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free right and license (with the right to sublicense) to use, incorporate, exploit, display, perform, reprodu…

> your content Wouldn't it be fun to upload content of a big music label or smth like that?

> By submitting, posting, and publishing your Content, you represent and warrant that your Content, does not: (i) infringe, violate, or misappropriate any third-party right, including any copyright, trademark, patent, trade secret, moral right, privacy right, right of publicity, or any other intellectual property or proprietary right; or (ii) slander, defame, or libel any third-party.
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