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Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Re: Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Post by badsectoracula »

hackthemack wrote: post #180
MintsJohn wrote: post #170

I tried codeberg, used it a year, then early this year in all their wisdom codeberg decided to show adverserial random text instead of my repo, reporteldly to mess up llm training to user agents they weren't sure were human. Codeberg had one job, serve my repo, it didn't do that, when brought up, I was told it was a feature not a bug, they could maybe whitelist me but that wasn't my problem, it was that random people…

Is your complaint about Anubis? I see the "checking if you are human" kind of text too when going to codeberg, but it is usually only a second or two. It is because I run a bit of obfuscation and resistance to browser finger printing. But you find seeing the text for a couple of seconds too annoying to use codeberg? Maybe it is more than 2 seconds for you? Everyone has their views on what is acceptable in the world a…

Codeberg has some extra "anti-scraping" measures than just Anubis which, judging from the community issues[0] sometimes ends up with false positives that cause people to get garbage (example issue[1], potential page with the garbage i found from Google[2]).

Interestingly, someone mentioned that you may get the garbage when searching Codeberg using Google's `site:codeberg.org`

[0] https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/Community/issues

[1] https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/Community/issues/2603

[2] https://codeberg.org/Codeberg-e.V./requests/!~codeberger~!.g...

Re: Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Post by [deleted] »

MintsJohn wrote: post #170

I tried codeberg, used it a year, then early this year in all their wisdom codeberg decided to show adverserial random text instead of my repo, reporteldly to mess up llm training to user agents they weren't sure were human. Codeberg had one job, serve my repo, it didn't do that, when brought up, I was told it was a feature not a bug, they could maybe whitelist me but that wasn't my problem, it was that random people…

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Re: Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

badsectoracula wrote: post #185
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been on Codeberg for my projects since September but will pull them if this happens. I see no definition of what "mostly using AI" means and refuse to be "punished" for the choice of tooling I use. The tone and content of the thread on Mastodon is absolutely toxic. I'd rather self-host than deal with the ambiguity and threats. Invariably from people who don't even make anything. I have plenty of concerns around…

Same here, i've been on Codeberg since 2022 but if this passes, i'll most likely move my stuff elsewhere (my projects do not even have any AI code, i just dislike the idea of telling people what tools to use to make their own stuff). I dislike GitHub and i'm using a shared host for my website which wouldn't let me install something like Forgejo (this is by choice as i don't want to bother with sysadmin stuff, my site…

Yep. I have a self-hosted Gerrit instance that I was using for other more private stuff. I could in theory move over to there.

The downside is then having to worry about backups. But also lack of all the other "forge" things like issue tracking and so on. And lack of public exposure.

Frustrating, really. I felt welcome on Codeberg up until now. But that Mastodon thread is... wow.

Re: Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Post by giancarlostoro »

grim_io wrote: post #182
giancarlostoro wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm still paying $4 a month for GitHub since I keep some repos private, which was down from the $8 a month or whatever before Microsoft acquired GitHub, are you saying there's a price hike for AI services or something else?

In case you didn't know, you don't need to pay for private repos.

You do if you want wikis and protected branches, the other features I'm not as invested in, and protected branches is just a common sense nice to have.

Re: Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Post by blooalien »

kgeist wrote: post #51

We've been self-hosting GitLab for about a year now, and I don't remember it ever going down or being unavailable. We self-host almost everything else too (except for online meetings), and it's all been pretty stable as well. Some of the tools we self-host do go down occasionally, but it's usually just a matter of restarting the VM or adding more storage.

Recently on Hacker News: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48833116 (Chatto went open source) so you might be able to self-host your online meetings pretty easily too if you wanted to. (They're not the only option in that space, either, although they are one of the easiest to spin up an instance of that I've seen thus far.)

Re: Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Post by nearlyepic »

xpct wrote: post #157
littlecranky67 wrote: post #45

Mostly because developers (me included) don't like to be told we are being laid off due to AI that was trained on our free open-source hobby projects.

It sucks, but that ship has sailed. I'm not sure how they'll handle the issue of most new repos being AI generated, if they continue using new code for training. If the world accepts LLMs as a valid method for license washing, I don't see how I can fight it.

> It sucks, but that ship has sailed.

Hey, this attitude sucks. Would you tell this to someone who got beat up in an alley?

Re: Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Post by lachiflippi »

nocloudflare wrote: post #188

“Verifying you are human” I’m gone. Any site that does that. I’m gone. I’m not waiting around for your bullshit. It’s so scammy and dumb looking anyway. Cloudflare ruined half the web. Codeberg might be cool? I’ll never know because they use Cloudflare. Cloudflare makes me leave websites every day and never return to them. Dumbest technology ever implemented. It’s joke anyway - DDoS is easily handled far more elegant…

Codeberg doesn't use Cloudflare.

Re: Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Post by 8organicbits »

ncphillips wrote: post #90
inigyou wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes GitLab "industry-standard" and Forgejo not?

I don’t know if Gitlab is an industry standard, but I’ve never heard of Forgejo. I worked for a headless CMS company and the only three providers we ever had requests for were GitHub, Bitbucket, and Gitlab. Gitlab is big enough to be generally adopted by governments. I think it’s fair to say it’s at least a lot closer to being an industry standard then Forgejo. (Aside: I would likely never use Gitlab by choice, and w…

Forgejo is mention in the article, it powers Codeberg. I agree it doesn't have high adoption, but the news is that it is growing.

Re: Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Post by [deleted] »

intunderflow wrote: post #97

FYI that Codeberg is currently holding a vote to broadly ban projects written mostly using AI, so its not a neutral space for hosting your projects like GitHub: https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/org/pulls/1253 https://tldr.nettime.org/@tante/116880003584050912

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Re: Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Post by whalesalad »

hackthemack wrote: post #180
MintsJohn wrote: post #170

I tried codeberg, used it a year, then early this year in all their wisdom codeberg decided to show adverserial random text instead of my repo, reporteldly to mess up llm training to user agents they weren't sure were human. Codeberg had one job, serve my repo, it didn't do that, when brought up, I was told it was a feature not a bug, they could maybe whitelist me but that wasn't my problem, it was that random people…

Is your complaint about Anubis? I see the "checking if you are human" kind of text too when going to codeberg, but it is usually only a second or two. It is because I run a bit of obfuscation and resistance to browser finger printing. But you find seeing the text for a couple of seconds too annoying to use codeberg? Maybe it is more than 2 seconds for you? Everyone has their views on what is acceptable in the world a…

Seeing the Anubis weeb interstitial is super annoying.
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