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Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Re: Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Post by metacritic12 »

jorisw wrote: post #15

Sentiment for/against GitHub aside... "Why X are doing Y" articles like these pretend that the premise of "X are doing Y" is true, conveniently skipping to the "Why" before proving that the premise is even accurate in any meaningful way. This is why I never buy headlines that start out with "Why". > developers are ditching Proceeds to list but a handful of remotely meaningful repos against the hundreds of thousands o…

If I didn't know any better, I would think this is a thinly veiled marketing piece by "Codeberg", a company that I never heard of until this headline.

https://www.paulgraham.com/submarine.html

Re: Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Post by jorisw »

wallaBBB wrote: post #158
jorisw wrote: post #15

Sentiment for/against GitHub aside... "Why X are doing Y" articles like these pretend that the premise of "X are doing Y" is true, conveniently skipping to the "Why" before proving that the premise is even accurate in any meaningful way. This is why I never buy headlines that start out with "Why". > developers are ditching Proceeds to list but a handful of remotely meaningful repos against the hundreds of thousands o…

Agree with the headline part, but the second part not so much. As someone mentioned it's about the trend. I have heard from people at multiple major open source projects that what is keeping them at Github at this point are free GH Action credits that they get and they couldn't really afford CI/CD if they left. Meaning numbers would be bigger if GH wasn't "paying" projects to stay.

The trend may be there but the article does nothing to back that up

Re: Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Post by sneak »

DonHopkins wrote: post #65
sneak wrote: post #5

Did we all forget that GitHub’s military-industrial complex owners over at Microsoft made sure to send the “business as usual” signal to the USG when they refused to stop helping ICE violate human rights en masse? This was during the kidnap-and-rape-kids-in-cages days and before they started a general policy of kidnapping and/or summarily executing law-abiding citizens in the street. There are more reasons now to dis…

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Re: Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Post by ahmedehab_01 »

VimEscapeArtist wrote: post #75
ahmedehab_01 wrote: post #29

Extreme generalization, most devs aren't ditching GitHub yet.

I like GitHub and I'm not going to ditch anything, but I have to admit it's currently one of the few MS products that still holds up. Curious what it'll look like in a few years. Just in case, I've already reserved my username on Codeberg :)

Good idea to reserve a username early! I will do that too

Anyway, it's not that I don't think GitHub has real issues under Microsoft, but I disagree with the title of the article, as devs are not leaving it in droves, yet.

Re: Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Post by grayhatter »

MintsJohn wrote: post #170

I tried codeberg, used it a year, then early this year in all their wisdom codeberg decided to show adverserial random text instead of my repo, reporteldly to mess up llm training to user agents they weren't sure were human. Codeberg had one job, serve my repo, it didn't do that, when brought up, I was told it was a feature not a bug, they could maybe whitelist me but that wasn't my problem, it was that random people…

That's the reason I left as well. I complained, was told I need to drop the attitude, or leave.

so I left.

must be harder than I think running a src forge

Re: Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Post by grayhatter »

litver wrote: post #107
littlecranky67 wrote: post #45

Mostly because developers (me included) don't like to be told we are being laid off due to AI that was trained on our free open-source hobby projects.

how switching to an alternative like codeberg would prevent it? ti can be scraped as well

It's a losing game to try to keep any FOSS code completely isolated from large scraping data sets. All you can do is never share it, or share it and eventually it'll get consumed by the machine.

Spend your time making better software you and your friends can use... don't waste the time trying to stop others from making another painfully average codegen machine.

Re: Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Post by 627467 »

embedding-shape wrote: post #108
jorisw wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except the article doesn't prove any trend

Here you have (albeit small) proof of some sort of trend: https://trends.google.com/explore?q=codeberg%2Cforgejo%2Cgit... Still, doesn't come close to popularity of GitHub itself today ( https://trends.google.com/explore?q=codeberg%2Cforgejo%2Cgit... ), but I think the trend of moving away from GitHub is clear both in data and sentiment, both qualitative and quantitative.

The trend i see in Google is explosion in git(hub) related searches and small blip in non-github alternatives

Re: Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Post by hackthemack »

MintsJohn wrote: post #170

I tried codeberg, used it a year, then early this year in all their wisdom codeberg decided to show adverserial random text instead of my repo, reporteldly to mess up llm training to user agents they weren't sure were human. Codeberg had one job, serve my repo, it didn't do that, when brought up, I was told it was a feature not a bug, they could maybe whitelist me but that wasn't my problem, it was that random people…

Is your complaint about Anubis? I see the "checking if you are human" kind of text too when going to codeberg, but it is usually only a second or two. It is because I run a bit of obfuscation and resistance to browser finger printing.

But you find seeing the text for a couple of seconds too annoying to use codeberg? Maybe it is more than 2 seconds for you?

Everyone has their views on what is acceptable in the world and what they will put up with. Just, to my point of view, I think codeberg is trying to fight the good fight in keeping llms from crawling their website.

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