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Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Re: Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Post by Hendrikto »

frabcus wrote: post #66

I'm trying sourcehut at the moment https://sourcehut.org/ and it seems really good - very simple and fast. And does seem to be free for hosting open source projects. Anyone else used it and have thoughts on it?

I really do not like that Drew (the owner and developer) is extremely dogmatic and political, and likes to get involved in what is and is jot allowed to be hosted on “his” forge.

Imo, service providers should be neutral and get involved only as far as required by law.

I would not trust Sourcehut. If Drew decides one day that he does not like you, your politics, or your industry, he will just cut you off. That is no foundation to build on.

Re: Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Post by tovej »

intunderflow wrote: post #97

FYI that Codeberg is currently holding a vote to broadly ban projects written mostly using AI, so its not a neutral space for hosting your projects like GitHub: https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/org/pulls/1253 https://tldr.nettime.org/@tante/116880003584050912

Well, that's a good thing. Being "neutral" _is_ taking a side. It means you're taking an amoral stance even in big questions.

Every organization has a stance. We're just become used to companies that take a stance of "as long as we get paid".

Re: Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Post by conartist6 »

jorisw wrote: post #88
conartist6 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The early adopters are leaving. These are the people that will blaze a trail that others follow.

You could say that any time two distant psychos roll their Teslas off a rocky cliff and then exclaim "Why Tesla drivers are dumping their cars". And not provide any other meaningful data

Rolling your car off a cliff isn't the same thing. This would be more like you want to drive your Tesla into the jungle so you build a road as you go.

The key problem is not losing the cars but losing the road builders who are now no longer building roads that lead to you, but rather roads that lead away

Re: Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Post by misterderpie »

intunderflow wrote: post #97

FYI that Codeberg is currently holding a vote to broadly ban projects written mostly using AI, so its not a neutral space for hosting your projects like GitHub: https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/org/pulls/1253 https://tldr.nettime.org/@tante/116880003584050912

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Re: Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Post by tovej »

kgeist wrote: post #51

We've been self-hosting GitLab for about a year now, and I don't remember it ever going down or being unavailable. We self-host almost everything else too (except for online meetings), and it's all been pretty stable as well. Some of the tools we self-host do go down occasionally, but it's usually just a matter of restarting the VM or adding more storage.

Do you serve the instance on the public internet or on a VPN?

I've been thinking about self-hosting myself, but for my purposes (open source), I'm worries about scrapers and other sources of DOS-like traffic.

Re: Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Post by esperent »

conartist6 wrote: post #76
esperent wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If there's a trend That's the point being made. Is there a trend? How do we know? There's always some repos moving between hosting providers for all kinds of reasons. The burden of proof is on the author here to show there's been an increase and they don't do that.

The early adopters are leaving. These are the people that will blaze a trail that others follow.

Which early adopters exactly? The most prominent example they gave is ghostty which has existed for just a couple of years, notwithstanding the fact that the owner published a spiel about how he's personally been using it for longer.

Re: Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Post by litver »

littlecranky67 wrote: post #45

Mostly because developers (me included) don't like to be told we are being laid off due to AI that was trained on our free open-source hobby projects.

how switching to an alternative like codeberg would prevent it? ti can be scraped as well

Re: Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Post by embedding-shape »

jorisw wrote: post #81
stymaar wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Proceeds to list but a handful of remotely meaningful repos against the hundreds of thousands on there The trend is what's interesting here. Github has never been threatened by anyone, because their service was too good to bother for everyone but the most ideologically motivated. Now their service has become so bad there's a github joke at work every time something is down or slower than it should. Reputation is a…

Except the article doesn't prove any trend

Here you have (albeit small) proof of some sort of trend: https://trends.google.com/explore?q=codeberg%2Cforgejo%2Cgit...

Still, doesn't come close to popularity of GitHub itself today (https://trends.google.com/explore?q=codeberg%2Cforgejo%2Cgit...), but I think the trend of moving away from GitHub is clear both in data and sentiment, both qualitative and quantitative.

Re: Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Post by embedding-shape »

p-e-w wrote: post #60
jorisw wrote: post #15

Sentiment for/against GitHub aside... "Why X are doing Y" articles like these pretend that the premise of "X are doing Y" is true, conveniently skipping to the "Why" before proving that the premise is even accurate in any meaningful way. This is why I never buy headlines that start out with "Why". > developers are ditching Proceeds to list but a handful of remotely meaningful repos against the hundreds of thousands o…

I’ve seen titles like “Why top scientists are leaving the United States” where the article itself talked about A SINGLE RESEARCHER relocating to France.

If you're talking about the article featured on HN just day(s) ago, that was about a funding effort to get more researchers to move to France from the US, while they interviewed one specific individual. I think maybe you skipped the contents of that article (as it was in French) and instead just read the HN comments which misunderstood the article :)

Re: Why developers are ditching GitHub for Codeberg and self-hosting alternatives

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Post by embedding-shape »

permalac wrote: post #52
hambos22 wrote: post #24

It's been 9 months since I ditched Github. Currently I self-host Gitea [0], use its registry for Docker, NPM etc and act runners [1] for github actions alternative, everything secured under tailnet. I'm extremely satisfied with that setup. It is batteries included & fire and forget. Now I use Github only as backup by mirroring my self hosted repos. [0] https://gitea.com [1] https://docs.gitea.com/usage/actions/act-ru…

Similar with forgejo. I mirrored all gh then flipped the ones I was using the most. The biggest win was on running apple runners in my mac, so the free gh actions can do other stuff.

Getting better, more reliable and faster CI was such an underappreciated gain (from me at least) when moving to a self-hosted git platform. What used to take ~40 minutes end-to-end (from pushing commit to having release binary ready for three platforms) now takes less than 10 minutes, and seemingly that whole slowdown was causing me more headache that I think I was willing to admit at the time.
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