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Everything is political, no one, no thing is apolitical.

I strongly disagree. You can make tennis and knitting political if you're an insufferable person, but you don't have to make them political. One of the worst exports from the US this last decade has been the left-right political team sports. Most of us exist all over the political spectrum. We have some right wing values, some left. Some libertarian, some authoritarian. Many which fit nowhere on any axis. I'm incredi…

Knitting has long been a highly political activity. Knitting in public by women during the French Revolution was an audacious act of gender equality.

And tennis? Goodness surely you’re aware of the modern political ramifications of tennis that happen almost constantly. There are so many modern examples but let’s pick Wimbledon’s recent banning of Russia. Or Serena Williams; who for her part would rather prefer that there isn’t a political earthquake every time she steps on the court.

Perhaps a better, more honest, and certainly more realistic course of action is to acknowledge that anything involving human beings is intrinsically political, including and maybe even especially tennis and knitting, and secondly to admit that you personally would prefer not to think about the intrinsic politics of knitting or tennis when you exercise those hobbies.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Americans are 4% of the world's population, and even among those 4% at least half don't give a shit. the rest of us give even less of a shit, we don't have the luxury to be principled.

The rest of the world either has no money to pay for this stuff or cares even more. You think the average European or Australian loves Elon's racist tweets? The people who "don't have the luxury" are using cheaper Chinese models.

do you contemplate Xi Jinping's public statements before you buy something made in China?

Re: Grok 4.5

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Its more depressing to see that we have such a low morality, that it apperenly doesn't matter what you do as long as you make great tech? My philosophy is, that the better i have it, the more responsibliltiy I can/have to carry. People in tech are above avg successful and we have a thinking job. I would imagine that our world would be better if more people would care if they see a Tesla and feel a little bit bad. Yes…

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Thats a very weak argument I would say.

The internet is a technology, Tesla is the car company which makes Elon Musk rich. Elon Musk is the richest person on the whole planet who has no character / integrity.

if elon Musk decides to do something, he does it until someone else says no.

Grok and Child pornography? No issue. EU says no, now Musk does something against it.

elon Musk has no motivation at all to be critical about what he does, we as a society apparently have to play the bad cop.

Re: Grok 4.5

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I am amazed at people's willingness to use Grok. The company is so transparently morally bankrupt. They're the only AI company that seems okay with CSAM (or at least don't do as much to stop it) Why give them money? It would be one thing if they were the only game in town but thats definitely not the case.

Vice signalling? Like buying a Tesla in 2026, when competitors are better and cheaper in every conceivable way. They want to support the sigheiling drug addict moron.

Re: Grok 4.5

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(from Cursor's blog) > Training included trillions of tokens of Cursor data which capture a wide-range of user interactions with codebases and software tools. This dataset lets the model learn both from existing software as well as developer-agent interactions, capturing how developers work and how agents interact with their environments. This is what the big money was for. Cursor is the first big player that had rea…

Composer 2.5 finetuned Kimi K2.5[0].

In the blog post, it is unclear whether Grok 4.5 is also a finetune on top of Kimi; they do imply it is also a finetune.

> Training included trillions of tokens of Cursor data… We used reinforcement learning on difficult problems

If xAI pivoted from a frontier base model company, to a finetuning company, it does mark a stark change to their relevance in the industry.

[0]: https://cursor.com/blog/composer-2-5

Re: Grok 4.5

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Does it refuse doing security, porn or piracy related work? Because if not, it has immense unique value when compared to frontier competition.
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