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Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by egeozcan »

spiderfarmer wrote: post #682
satvikpendem wrote: post #666

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you. I too am interested in the technical aspects, not how many guardrails it can hit against Fable, like, who cares? As long as it can get me (more) uncensored access without killing itself over biology or chemistry, it's a good model to me. I can't believe the top comment is about some political reply garbage, as if that actually matters day to day for coders; in reality I want to get my work done.

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Hey there, you're not alone. I think it matters to make the support explicit when it comes to this matter.

I'm fully open to reopening the books and discussing why we made these things unacceptable. I'm of the "let the world burn if that's the cost of free speech" kind.

But you can't get on a stage and do that salute, say racist things, push Nazi propaganda, and expect people to accept any association with your name on it. That's not speaking your mind on my book, that's a call to action, especially when you are doing it literally on a stage. A line on the sand this may be, but it's my line, and I'm glad to see there are others.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by sydney6 »

spiderfarmer wrote: post #682
satvikpendem wrote: post #666

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you. I too am interested in the technical aspects, not how many guardrails it can hit against Fable, like, who cares? As long as it can get me (more) uncensored access without killing itself over biology or chemistry, it's a good model to me. I can't believe the top comment is about some political reply garbage, as if that actually matters day to day for coders; in reality I want to get my work done.

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Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by Ciph »

bandrami wrote: post #720
benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

> it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares Existentially weary infosec guy voice I promise you some of us care, and the rest of you will realize why in a year or so

I'm genuinely curious about your view on this. Ziphu AI release pretty capable open weights models. As long as we don't feed information that is confidential or become overy reliant on the tech that's on someone else's computer - what are the other riaks that you see in using Chinese models?

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by kraf »

rdbl27 wrote: post #457
jesse_dot_id wrote: post #291

I just don't think that I can ever trust an xAI model knowing that they are actively trying to shape its replies to fit a political narrative. How can you trust their models to be reliable in a business setting with the foreknowledge that their models are being nudged around in the backend?

Has it occurred to you that _all_ model providers are actively trying to shape their models' replies to fit their preferred political narratives?

And it's all the same to you? You don't care which values those things have? Of course there will always be underlying values. I wouldn't go as far as calling everything political narratives.

I think it's just pretty clear that Elon's values are not what most people want the world to be shaped by.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by ospray »

bandrami wrote: post #720
benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

> it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares Existentially weary infosec guy voice I promise you some of us care, and the rest of you will realize why in a year or so

At least at this point most people using them are using them running on western infrastructure. A backdoored llm would be an interesting thing to see. Like every time it realizes it was running in claude code it installed a backdoor or something. For now seems to be theoretical.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by kilroy123 »

benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

My only complaint is that people have been tricked into thinking complaining online is taking action. The complaints are the equivalent to shouting at the TV.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by XCSme »

paradox460 wrote: post #514
XCSme wrote: post #406

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I am trying to benchmark it now, but: - It doesn't seem available in EU (?) - Using a VPN seems to sort of fix it, but it's way slower than I expected, when everyone was praising it, it feels like the speed is slowly ramping up - Cost is $2/$6 for https://aibenchy.com/compare/x-ai-grok-4-5-medium/z-ai-glm-5...

Instead of a VPN, might I suggest running litellm proxy on a server in the US and connecting to that

What would the advantage be?

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by strangecasts »

inkysigma wrote: post #719
benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

I think the distinction with the Chinese models (or with any of the other models) is that they aren't particularly vocal and obviously active about their politics. I don't see how political commentary about Musk's is somehow forbidden when the man constantly reminds everyone about his political position and is simultaneously the face of his companies and obvious beneficiary. Furthermore, he's also very obviously inte…

> Furthermore, he's also very obviously interfered with the model development in ways that are quite ridiculous compared to other labs to insert his political opinion.

Yeah, even if you want to ignore the "political commentary" - people are correctly wary of Anthropic downgrading people or silently manipulating responses if they think you're doing distillation, why would you stake your business on someone who has repeatedly and famously done the same thing many times in a much dumber fashion?

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by AdamN »

benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

Politics and tech have gone hand in hand for generations. Just think about Stallman and free (as in beer) software or encryption export controls or much of the history of computing. There is no advanced tech that doesn't touch upon the political because politics is focused on what's important and advanced technology is very important.
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