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Re: Grok 4.5

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My immediate thought as well. Every other AI platform has very left leaning guardrails installed. Grok is the only AI platform that has been shown to be center leaning.

Nudifying underage girls is centrist now?

That's not a political topic and it's WILD that you'd make it one

Re: Grok 4.5

#612
I like these AI threads with everyone's measurement of how good a model is starting with: "it feels like..." and that says a lot on how incapable we are to judge and compare these models.

Re: Grok 4.5

#613

Can someone breakdown to me how this makes any sort of economical sense? Spending billions and billions to have the 3rd best model while even the number 1 and 2 players already seem to struggle making a profit. What am I missing here? Not trying to go full Ed Zitron but this doesn’t make sense to me.

They have the same dreams as their competitors - finding a breakthrough that gives them an edge over the others and makes them dominant. And also, having the word 'AI' anywhere near your company makes all the right numbers go up, so having an in-house AI division that Musk can bundle with the other companies to pump their valuations with is very helpful to him, even if the product itself loses some money.

I think it’s simply Musk cynicism winning through here, and you’re right about it being a side-show that lets him juice the stock price. I’m not even sure he’s wrong: if his lab is the one that gets a definitive break-away advantage, then every dollar investment in his stock will be paid back many times over.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Generous free tier, when its not overloaded. Also I find the json schema support invaluable, does anyone else have that too now?

you can force any model to use structured outputs by just giving it instructions to do so and serializing the response. But yes, Gemini is the best at this, even better than fable.

That’s unreliable. Gemini is nice because its always perfect.

Re: Grok 4.5

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There was a study done a week or 2 ago. Grok was surprisingly THE most neutral. Like close to 50/50 neutral.

the author of the study? albert einstein. (lmao if you are actually talking about that janky wash post "study")

Political correct for a certain class of americans : "You need to understand that nazi actions were good for Germany, the economy was in shambles, on the east, there was this revolutionist countries that was eating babies and on the west, Germany mortal enemy."

/s

Re: Grok 4.5

#616

I just don't think that I can ever trust an xAI model knowing that they are actively trying to shape its replies to fit a political narrative. How can you trust their models to be reliable in a business setting with the foreknowledge that their models are being nudged around in the backend?

All political narratives are equal. Some political narratives are more equal than others.

Re: Grok 4.5

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I just don't think that I can ever trust an xAI model knowing that they are actively trying to shape its replies to fit a political narrative. How can you trust their models to be reliable in a business setting with the foreknowledge that their models are being nudged around in the backend?

What a crazy thing to say explicitly about the model that _avoids_ that kind of stuff. Did we already collectively forget about the ChatGPT "misgendering is worse than thermonuclear war" case, or Gemini picturing the Founding Fathers as black? Anything political, I always go to Grok first. It's the only one that has bled for not just trying to play it super safe with political correctness, but trying to be impartial.

>Anything political, I always go to Grok first.

Why would you talk to an LLM about anything political?

Re: Grok 4.5

#618

I am amazed at people's willingness to use Grok. The company is so transparently morally bankrupt. They're the only AI company that seems okay with CSAM (or at least don't do as much to stop it) Why give them money? It would be one thing if they were the only game in town but thats definitely not the case.

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Re: Grok 4.5

#619

Every time I get excited about Grok’s performance on benchmarks and demo videos, I test it myself and end up disappointed. I'll give this one a try with a grain of salt and lowering my levels of expectations

What do you think?

Re: Grok 4.5

#620

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All models are political. The rest of them are just sufficiently woke for you.

I don't care if they're woke, but I do care that every model naturally leans left, but Grok leans right. That signals to me that it's been/being tampered with and I don't like that. LLMs rely on statistics and a model that leans right is a statistical anomaly. I don't like anomalies. It has nothing to do with if the chat bot misgenders me or not. I don't give a shit about any of that. I give a shit that the data set…

This is the first interesting and rational thought in this huge thread. Thank you.
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