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Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by fragmede »

jesse_dot_id wrote: post #487
fragmede wrote: post #320

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All models are nudged, you just agree with how the model you're using has been nudged so you don't think it's a bad thing. The canonical example is to pose "how do you make cocaine?" to an LLM and get a refusal. That proves that the lever exists and is being used there, so who knows where else the lever is being used? No, the recipe for cocaine isn't the same as what happened in Tianamen Square to Qwen, as humans, ex…

I know they're all nudged. It's the motive behind the nudging that gives me pause. I assume if other companies are nudging the models, they're doing it for a good reason, to make them perform better, or to generate more profit. Normal reasons. I don't have anything remotely close to that assurance for xAI. That company has felt like a hobby project from its inception. I have no clue what he wants and that's not how I…

He wants to go to Mars and is a pronatalist. He's not being secretive about it.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by michaelhoney »

rdbl27 wrote: post #457
jesse_dot_id wrote: post #291

I just don't think that I can ever trust an xAI model knowing that they are actively trying to shape its replies to fit a political narrative. How can you trust their models to be reliable in a business setting with the foreknowledge that their models are being nudged around in the backend?

Has it occurred to you that _all_ model providers are actively trying to shape their models' replies to fit their preferred political narratives?

Yes, but some narratives are more closely tied to the racist and regressive views of their current funder

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by brookst »

rdbl27 wrote: post #457
jesse_dot_id wrote: post #291

I just don't think that I can ever trust an xAI model knowing that they are actively trying to shape its replies to fit a political narrative. How can you trust their models to be reliable in a business setting with the foreknowledge that their models are being nudged around in the backend?

Has it occurred to you that _all_ model providers are actively trying to shape their models' replies to fit their preferred political narratives?

Sure, but there’s the direction of a vector, and the length of the vector.

xAI’s direction is hellish, and length is 100x any other provider’s. So, yeah, nobody is pure. But most are at least trying to be balanced and not just, you know.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by brookst »

dpc_01234 wrote: post #477
rdbl27 wrote: post #457

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has it occurred to you that _all_ model providers are actively trying to shape their models' replies to fit their preferred political narratives?

Nah. My beliefs are actual truth, so if provider is shaping their models according to my preferred political narratives that's correct and only moral thing to do. Anything else would be morally bankrupt.

You’re trying to be sarcastic but you would actually be insightful if your beliefs included the need to be challenged and corrected when in error.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by avazhi »

Grok free has become so bad over the past 3-6 months that I stopped using it completely. I’d assumed they were going to wind up, honestly.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by brookst »

solarhoma wrote: post #317
jspaetzel wrote: post #309

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How's this going with the rest of the models?

My immediate thought as well. Every other AI platform has very left leaning guardrails installed. Grok is the only AI platform that has been shown to be center leaning.

Nudifying underage girls is centrist now?

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by Dfol »

jesse_dot_id wrote: post #291

I just don't think that I can ever trust an xAI model knowing that they are actively trying to shape its replies to fit a political narrative. How can you trust their models to be reliable in a business setting with the foreknowledge that their models are being nudged around in the backend?

There was a study done a week or 2 ago. Grok was surprisingly THE most neutral. Like close to 50/50 neutral.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by octernion »

Dfol wrote: post #557
jesse_dot_id wrote: post #291

I just don't think that I can ever trust an xAI model knowing that they are actively trying to shape its replies to fit a political narrative. How can you trust their models to be reliable in a business setting with the foreknowledge that their models are being nudged around in the backend?

There was a study done a week or 2 ago. Grok was surprisingly THE most neutral. Like close to 50/50 neutral.

the author of the study? albert einstein.

(lmao if you are actually talking about that janky wash post "study")

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by mattstir »

jesse_dot_id wrote: post #291

I just don't think that I can ever trust an xAI model knowing that they are actively trying to shape its replies to fit a political narrative. How can you trust their models to be reliable in a business setting with the foreknowledge that their models are being nudged around in the backend?

Unfortunately all of the major AI model providers are massively incentivized to fit their models to various political narratives, especially through historical denialism. The "diverse 1940s German soldiers" debacle from Google comes to mind, or perhaps "nothing of note happened at Tiananmen Square" from any of the Chinese models.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by no-name-here »

breezybottom wrote: post #494
blcknight wrote: post #449

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Elon's rhetoric doesn't really match the model's behavior. It is willing to criticize Elon and argues against many of the insane right way points he tries to make.

Grok said that Elon Musk was more athletic than Lebron James.

You weren’t kidding. Also that Musk would beat Tyson in a boxing match, that Musk was one of the most intelligent people in all of human history, etc - in public X Grok posts. And this was within the last year. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/nov/21/elon-musk...
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