most complains i see about the others are performance-related, not looks-related. and chatto is trying to be performant.
It is not looks or performance (I have no idea) I am talking about. It is the shape of the functionality — the intent of it. All these systems end up with far too much furniture on screen, and this appears no exception. I will test it, of course. But the promotional material argues against itself.
Then don't use it? I don't get the hate just because it doesn't fit people's use cases.
Chatto going open source means we can finally have an AI that reads our messages and judges us silently, but at least now we can read the source code to confirm it is judging us
I'm not aware of any advanced models with full training data available, let alone available with paid licenses for the training data. The process of training and using them is also not likely to be any better than commercial models. 23% of Ireland's power is going to data centers, spreading that among less efficient hardware in less efficient setups is unlikely to be better, unless the models are so bad nobody uses t…
>I'm not aware of any models with full training data available, let alone available with full licensing. Check out the OLMo family from the Allen Institute for AI: https://allenai.org/blog/olmo3 Also worth looking at EleutherAI, LLM360, SmolLM, Apertus. Apterus even respects opt-out notices in their collection of the dataset they distribute. KL3M from Kelvin Legal is even trained on a 100% copyright-free legal/govern…
Is this a joke of just blatant publicity for this Billionaire "philanthropist"? This olmo uses random data of totally infringing license database such a StackEdu (https://huggingface.co/datasets/HuggingFaceTB/stack-edu).
I took this first dataset from what olmo claim to use and check a random used data -> https://github.com/rodriguescarina/URI . Boom MIT licensed (where is the credit?), 0 opt-in for AI training as far as I see.
Matrix seems like a decent enough open protocol for a Slack replacement, with XMPP/IRC/IRCv3 being more useful for bare-bones chat transport. This Chatto thing unfortunately uses a Protobuf custom API and is explicitly anti-compatibility with other systems. The lack of interoperability may end up killing it, unless the experience is much better than everything else.
Oh, and the protobuf based realtime endpoint should make it very easy to build bridges, too.
If the mission statement is no compatibility with anything else, they might break backwards compatibility with bridges frequently
I have been patiently waiting for fluxer, but honestly I just want to self host and have it available and fluxer has been sitting on that for a while
I'm the developer behind Fluxer – self-hosting is ready to use already [1][2][3], people are using it actively currently, and I'm currently working to make account switching across instances in the desktop app a reality. This, with a big voice update around the corner, will let us move much faster moving forward! [1]: https://fluxer.app/blog/mobile-clients-and-fluxer-v2 [2]: https://docs.fluxer.app/operator/get-start…
Great work! Imo the most promising Discord alternative so far.
But I have a question, and maybe it is answered somewhere and I just couldn't find it, but is there currently a way to move a created community from e.g. the official hosting to self-hosted? I saw the mention about possible federation in the future, which would solve that (kind of), but currently it's not possible, I guess?
The killer feature of Discord for me is being able to jump between communities without logging in to each of them. Open source alternatives never provide that. Does this one? Matrix is the obvious exception but the UX has always been terrible for me. I don't need e2ee for group messages and it brings too much complexity with it.
Looking at the screenshot, it seems to be the case, with servers at the left like on Discord.
But tbf, both face the same issue: those communities that you want to switch between need to exist. :/ (But of course not an issue if you're the one creating them and you have users who are down to join them.)
I thought the point of chat control was to give the eu a back door even in e2e?
Yes, at least with the 2.0 version (which is the "really bad one"), on-device scanning would be the big issue. But then it also doesn't matter where you're hosted, unless you only allow users with some custom OS that doesn't support it on your server.
> It’s designed to be extremely easy to self-host on your own infrastructure. Kudos for this. Per the docs: https://docs.chatto.run/ , > Chatto ships in a compact, self-contained binary > it uses NATS, a compact message broker that also ships with a built-in stream persistence engine [...] NATS is just as easy to provision as Chatto, and most of our examples will show you how. > you can also configure an external S3-…
Wow, it's using NATS! I used NATS extensively 10+ years ago, and I'm happy to hear it's still around. Our infrastructure had hiccups across our fleet of machines, but one part that always remained up and running without complaining on some dinky machine was NATS. Well, that and Redis. No complaints ever.
We are building something B2B expected to have good enough scale ... we had to choose between kafka, nats, redpanda and rabbitMQ .... We went ahead with NATS .... don't know why, but, when we went through all the docs, including setup and operational, NATS just felt right.
I'm the developer behind Fluxer – self-hosting is ready to use already [1][2][3], people are using it actively currently, and I'm currently working to make account switching across instances in the desktop app a reality. This, with a big voice update around the corner, will let us move much faster moving forward! [1]: https://fluxer.app/blog/mobile-clients-and-fluxer-v2 [2]: https://docs.fluxer.app/operator/get-start…
Great work! Imo the most promising Discord alternative so far. But I have a question, and maybe it is answered somewhere and I just couldn't find it, but is there currently a way to move a created community from e.g. the official hosting to self-hosted? I saw the mention about possible federation in the future, which would solve that (kind of), but currently it's not possible, I guess?
Thanks! And you're right, the future federation work is what will make it possible to implement support for transferring communities across instances natively.