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GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by flawn »

jychang wrote: post #27
laurels-marts wrote: post #12

Damn this is exciting. I love that gpt models are much faster, efficient and cheaper than Claude models. They are so fast even on high/xhigh that I don’t find myself using the parallel agent setup anymore much since its cognitively less demanding to just follow along what the model is doing and most tasks it will complete in <5-<10mins anyway.

This is because GPT-5.6 is just a more posttrained version of GPT-5.5, not a bigger model than GPT-5.5. It's not like how Mythos is bigger than Opus. GPT-5.6 --------> GPT-5.6 Sol GPT-5.6-mini ---> GPT-5.6 Terra GPT-5.6-nano ---> GPT-5.6 Luna Two important things to note, if you want to verify what I say/correct me: GPT-5.6 Terra actually scores worse than GPT-5.5 on many benchmarks. It's not GPT-5.5 trained with mor…

Also tokens/sec are not only dependent on parameter size, so that is kind of a brittle theory.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by satvikpendem »

incrudible wrote: post #210
satvikpendem wrote: post #201

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Use DeArrow if you're so sensitive to it. And like I said, it is necessary if YouTube is also a money making endeavor. Casey likely makes little from his videos so he doesn't need to have clickbait thumbnails.

DeArrow gives a YouTube page with rageslop that has been marked as rageslop. I do not need an addon to determine that, I need a feed that does not serve it to me in the first place, and that means curating my feed by rejecting certain videos and channels. And this goes back to my point, if you are a competent engineer, why are you spending time producing rageslop for money, rather than, you know, doing the engineerin…

Because there's an audience and it makes money. I think you know the answer just as well but pretend not to know in this thread.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by mejutoco »

adammarples wrote: post #168
mejutoco wrote: post #121

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What is the language of those words (sol, terra, luna). It does not seem to be a single language. Spanish: Sol, tierra, luna Italian: Sole, terra, luna Catalan: Sol, terra, lluna Portuguese: Sol, terra, lua Might as well call it gelatto, siesta, fiesta if they think it sounds cool.

What a tantalising mystery there is here waiting to be solved!

Honestly, I speak a few languages and it did not ocur to me. I deserve the snark, but downvotes?

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by incrudible »

satvikpendem wrote: post #212
incrudible wrote: post #210

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DeArrow gives a YouTube page with rageslop that has been marked as rageslop. I do not need an addon to determine that, I need a feed that does not serve it to me in the first place, and that means curating my feed by rejecting certain videos and channels. And this goes back to my point, if you are a competent engineer, why are you spending time producing rageslop for money, rather than, you know, doing the engineerin…

Because there's an audience and it makes money. I think you know the answer just as well but pretend not to know in this thread.

There's also money in being an engineer. If he makes so much more money as YouTube rage farmer, then I'd be surprised, but it still wouldn't change my perception of it being degrading work, harmful to his credibility and probably harmful to his mental health too.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by hodgehog11 »

stingraycharles wrote: post #181
hodgehog11 wrote: post #175

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For some tasks, there is no amount of "steering" that will produce sensible code. The model needs to be sufficiently capable as a baseline; this is the "intent" that people are referring to with Fable.

That doesn’t sound like the “it hammers until it’s done”-type of intent. Just last night Fable decided to get into a rabbit hole of debugging a database driver issue by packet sniffing the network traffic instead of just adding debug statements to the code. Definitely needed steering, and I don’t know many people whose first intuition would be to use pcap when they have a segfault.

Overengineering is the name of the game with Fable. Sometimes you don't want that, sometimes you really do, especially as a researcher. It's a very nice tool to have around for those special tasks.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by Copenjin »

aarvin_roshin wrote: post #4

Thoughts[^0] from Theo, who had early access: > It's a damn good model. Not quite as "smart" as Fable, but it is incredibly capable. Fixed all the problems I had with GPT-5.5. > It is incredibly determined. Will run for a day without even using a /goal. It understands subagents incredibly well and is great at orchestrating. It's super pleasant in use cases like OpenClaw and Hermes Agent. It knows iOS dev incredibly w…

> Thoughts[^0] from Theo

I will stop here, sorry but I think we have limited time to listen to opinions and nowadays since they are abundant on social media we should give preference to the substantiated ones.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by ttul »

Havoc wrote: post #47
bashtoni wrote: post #17

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I feel like listening to Theo about anything technical is like consulting a Labrador retriever for advice on quantum physics. Every time I've ever seen one of his videos it's pretty clear he has very little understanding of development or engineering. I first became aware of him from his early "unit tests are a waste of time" stuff, and it seems his skillset is building a personal brand. Fair play, he's clearly talen…

And half his videos are him coming up with indirect ways of saying look how amazing I am.

I disagree with this assessment. Theo is nerdy and, yes, he has a healthy ego. But, he provides insightful commentary on his channel and he works very hard to present what he believes is the truth. Compared to many YouTubers, whose content is vacuous, Theo is mostly the real deal.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by satvikpendem »

incrudible wrote: post #214
satvikpendem wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because there's an audience and it makes money. I think you know the answer just as well but pretend not to know in this thread.

There's also money in being an engineer. If he makes so much more money as YouTube rage farmer, then I'd be surprised, but it still wouldn't change my perception of it being degrading work, harmful to his credibility and probably harmful to his mental health too.

He does make so much more. He used to work at twitch and there's a reason he left.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by thomas_witt »

I would be really interested in real life throughput. For an agentic chat situation, we are still on 5.4 - not because of the cost, but it's simply much faster than 5.5 with comparable results. Also we are using gpt-5.4-mini a lot for quick summaries, tldrs etc.

In an ideal world we would upgrade 5.4 to 5.6 terra and 5.4 mini to 5.4 luna. But does somebody already have some measurements at least in terms of speed?

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