Nanny State at it’s worse, The problem is not necessarily getting a warning. The biggest problem is sharing that information with someone else. Incredible.
Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera
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Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera
#912This is just more evidence that the GDPR was just a set of protectionist laws for EU companies.
The GDPR protects people from companies keeping their data and using it recklessly.
“protects EU companies from more competitive foreign companies”
Tbf protectionist laws are everywhere now including the US. Globalism is dying.
The spirit of the law was to protect people’s data from every entity including government bodies.
Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera
#913I sometimes wonder how these systems are being tested on the road and whether there's any feedback from the test drivers, or what kind of morons are there saying "this is completely fine, exactly like intended" when they read the feedback... My car has adaptive cruise control and will automatically adjust speed based on speed limit signs. I was on a highway at 130km/h and the car read a 60km/h speed limit sign that w…
My car (from VW Group) came with Active Lane Keep. It detects when you're drifting out of your lane and steers you back into it. Sounds great in theory. Except that in the US, if you're cruising in the right lane then every time there's an exit it will actively steer you towards the concrete median between the lane and the exit. I don't understand how this feature was signed off on. The risks outweigh the benefits, i…
I will never buy a car with that feature unless I can turn it off. I don't need the be fighting my car if I need to swerve in an emergency situation.
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#914I seriously can't believe all the commenters here advocating for mandated ability to spy on people
Politics on this site is as astroturfed/censored as reddit, and the moderators are interchangeable. It's good for tech news.
Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera
#915Earlier quoted context omitted.
Over Christmas, I spent several minutes trying to debug my beeping dashboard - it only seemed to happen sometimes while driving, so stopping didn’t let me figure it out. Eventually I discovered that it was beeping at me because my eyes weren’t on the road enough. Of course, figuring that out required me to take my eyes off the road to figure out which blinking signal was associated with this particular alarm. Also, b…
> I feel like there’s some lesson here in building to the lowest common denominator, and giving people products rather than tools (tools are more dangerous, but more useful), but maybe I’m just grumpy. It's from a culture that says more alarms = safer. Perhaps the people who design these things need an alarm to warn them of "alarm fatigue".
I used to work on a military base in the US. They have a similar culture, but with warning signs. Where I worked there were glass doors that were so festooned with signage that you couldn't see the other side. Floors are slippery when wet. Smoke free facility. Phone calls are monitored. Etc, etc.
Every few years they do a study and realize you quickly get to the point that people simply ignore all the signage when you do that, and they take all but the most important signs down. Then the sign creep starts again. It's a cycle.
I know when I drive I ignore all the beeps and dinging noises my car makes. I haven't even bothered to find out what they mean.
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#916Earlier quoted context omitted.
A camera pointed at people’s face is going to have some insanely positive effects targeting one of the absolute biggest problems on the road though. On my daily commute about 50% of drivers are on their phones at 90 km/h, would be great if their cars were beeping at them since no one else is going to do anything about it. I find this especially great since one of them rear ended me earlier this year and practically a…
if all that happens is the car beeping at them then i would imagine that number will stay at 50%
I see potential for selling driver distraction data (adjusted with forthcoming studies on real risk impacts thereof) to insurance companies. Ideally, meaningfully risky drivers (phone users, etc) get penalized with their premiums, and the safe drivers may not have to pay as much.
Not that I support mandatory driver cams, just thinking out loud...
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#917Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a bit more nuanced than that. Under the GDPR provisions, strictly necessary cookies are exempt from the consent screen. But the way the exemptions read prompts all the lawyers to "well, maybe it's sort of necessary for you to have a session_id, but its so, so much safer to have the damn consent screen, so please...". I worked in technical roles at large companies that had completely honest-to-god private, str…
The law doesn’t mention Cookies even once. If your company is overcompliant, seems to be a company issue. This is a general trend I observed: way too many companies and even government entities don’t do certain things for "privacy reasons", while they’re just lazy and privacy is an excuse. It’s not like not having a consent banner for necessary cookies will result in a fine right away. Most fines are for serious stuf…
I am not arguing with that. Its a fact that companies are staffed with salaried people incentivised with externalising costs and avoiding personal responsibility. People legislating stuff should know this well and design taking this reality into account. But they themselves are incentivised largely the same way, and some of them are also reaping material benefits from establishing regulatory regimes like this one. So here we are. For the 0.0001% of the population actually concerned about privacy billions of people have to click on the stupid banners 20 times a day. I hope hell exists, and that its where the people behind it will end up.
That ignores the main issue, though. Companies moved on, cookies are no longer needed to associate your behaviour on various websites. I'd argue that because cookies were regulated like this, we now have state of the art tech that profiles people across vpn's, not to mention incognito browsing. Just ask anyone working with big data aggregators or having access to telco data and other logins. Its not just browsing behavior, some companies can get your extremely intimate, offline-only facts by combining those data sources. But hey, a bunch of technically illiterate people in Brussels feel like they did us all a favor.
Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera
#918I sometimes wonder how these systems are being tested on the road and whether there's any feedback from the test drivers, or what kind of morons are there saying "this is completely fine, exactly like intended" when they read the feedback... My car has adaptive cruise control and will automatically adjust speed based on speed limit signs. I was on a highway at 130km/h and the car read a 60km/h speed limit sign that w…
My car (from VW Group) came with Active Lane Keep. It detects when you're drifting out of your lane and steers you back into it. Sounds great in theory. Except that in the US, if you're cruising in the right lane then every time there's an exit it will actively steer you towards the concrete median between the lane and the exit. I don't understand how this feature was signed off on. The risks outweigh the benefits, i…
I rented a car a couple years ago, I think a Jeep of some sort (I didn't pick it), that had this feature. When driving on the highway, if there's a car in the lane next to me, I tend to move over to the other side of my lane to give more room, especially around curves. This car had lane-keeping, and would fight with me for the steering wheel, and force me uncomfortably close to the other cars, which is particularly infuriating when you're driving an unfamiliar car in an unfamiliar environment in heavy traffic at 70mph.
It only took about 5 minutes of that before I exited and looked up how to disable it, and it has to be disabled in the menus every time you start the car, there's no way to have it be permanent.
Now whenever I rent a car, I refuse to be given anything from Chrysler or VW.
Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera
#919The overregulation and the constant attempt to destroy any notion of privacy has really pushed me towards being anti EU. I wonder if ressources are spent seeding that sentiment.
To be clear, this will also happen in the USA. The destruction of privacy is perhaps the only issue with full throated support across the political spectrum.
> with full throated support across the political spectrum.
Which is to say, from the authoritarian left to the authoritarian right, but not the other half of the compass.