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List of European organizations that have banned personal messaging apps at work

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Re: List of European organizations that have banned personal messaging apps at work

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Post by blitzar »

Yokohiii wrote: post #5

I don't understand why they put this up like it's working in their favor. Their website doesn't explain anything extraordinary that makes them different from the average chat app, except that it is europe based.

If anything it is highlighting the pointlessness of any new messaging platform. Companies can and should lock down to the platform that comes with their subscription for everything else - and for all personal matters that is locked down with network effects by sms, whatsapp & wechat.

You could maybe make the case for a federated - email like - messaging service for inter company / party communications. Matrix basically ...

Re: List of European organizations that have banned personal messaging apps at work

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Post by nekusar »

JoeBOFH wrote: post #15
sigmoid10 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GDPR guarantees a right to privacy even on work devices. I think you need to filter out personal messages if compliance requires logging.

As much as I prefer the European way of some items. I think the American way of treating the work computer as a company asset and just locking it down to an insane degree makes way more sense. Especially for areas like finance.

Exactly this.

I've been in a lawsuit with Oracle (as engineer, not direct). And their discovery hit EVERYTHING.

If I used work devices for personal messages, my personal messages would absolutely been in scope.

Or if I used personal devices for work, my personal devices are now in scope. Hell NO!

My work laptop is on my personal network. Its also on its own vlan and can only talk to the imternet, and not fellow devices. And I can attest to that as much if I'm ever called in for a discovery hearing.

Re: List of European organizations that have banned personal messaging apps at work

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Post by raesene9 »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #13
benny_s wrote: post #6

At least for the financial institutions on this list, I can say they have no other choice. Regulation forces them to log everything to avoid insider trading, etc. Any communication outside of their internal systems can't be logged and is therefore a compliance risk.

GDPR guarantees a right to privacy even on work devices. I think you need to filter out personal messages if compliance requires logging.

It provides a right to privacy if the company allows personal messaging services on the device, but I don't think it provides a right to having personal messaging apps on the device(s).

Personally I think it's much cleaner to keep work stuff on your work device(s) and personal stuff on personal devices. The only place that gets sticky is where companies don't provide the device but want you to have work information on it (e.g. mobile phones)

Re: List of European organizations that have banned personal messaging apps at work

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Post by yeputons »

inigyou wrote: post #9
Yokohiii wrote: post #5

I don't understand why they put this up like it's working in their favor. Their website doesn't explain anything extraordinary that makes them different from the average chat app, except that it is europe based.

What would possibly differentiate a chat app?

It works reliably and without surprises. Messages are not lost. No weird errors.

Features: easy to switch devices, including PC. File transfers. Video sharing. Audio-to-text conversion out of the box.

Re: List of European organizations that have banned personal messaging apps at work

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Post by nottorp »

throwa356262 wrote: post #28
nottorp wrote: post #20

Of course, the consequence is you end up communicating for work on something like Teams instead of an usable chat app.

Like zoom where you chat disappears when the meeting is closed? Or how about slack, that lives in an alternate reality where outlook calendar can be ignored?

Teams will spam your outlook calendar :)

Slack is actually the best I've used for actual work comms so far. But then I mean communication, not calendar spam.

Re: List of European organizations that have banned personal messaging apps at work

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Post by ghaff »

basisword wrote: post #29

I'm surprised any company allows work to be done over employees personal apps/devices/numbers. If a colleague/boss contacted me about work via my personal number they'd be quickly told to never do it again.

It's not at all uncommon. I didn't have a usable work phone number for years given that, even when I technically had a desk, I was never there. I always used my personal phone and, for that matter, laptop for that matter.

Re: List of European organizations that have banned personal messaging apps at work

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Post by tsimionescu »

retired wrote: post #3

Meanwhile in Spain I use WhatsApp to contact the municipality, the GP uses it to send my blood results and package delivery drivers ask me to share my location. I hate it.

Would you rather they used Teams? Or what would be a better alternative? Phone / email?
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