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Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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After some crying over not getting 5.6 access early and losing Fable and then getting it back, after calmly trying out these models again, I am back to thinking they are over hyped and Anthropic and OpenAI is minting marketing from it.

Prompting Fable is a lot easier sure, like you can actually ask it to build X and it will produce something close-ish to X, but there is hardly anything it can do I couldn't before, and it still fails to do basic stuff and I have to redo it.

Especially this threatening to pull access, extending access, limiting access is all signs that point to the fact that either these companies are deeply mismanaged.

So it's mismanaged because there really isn't a viable product but just hype, as oss models catch up and break down need for these full size models I am feeling more certain that it's not even remotely worth betting on AI.

If there was infinite demand as people posit there would be zero needs to extend this, there would be zero need to market it, they could literally stop all marketting and just keep selling shovels and printing money.

This AI will they won't they saga just leaves a horrendously bad taste for me.

I say that as someone working on the tech, and with a lot of belief in AI technologies. I just get pushed more into the thinking that this is all just a big bubble, sure the tech might be real but it just doesn't make sense how it's being wrapped up and sold/presented.

I strongly believe good products sell despite the marketing, for instance Linux won in servers despite alternatives because of its merits, AI should be able to as well.

Why can't I just enjoy the product and why do I have to look for conspiracies I don't know but these companies sure as hell are doing something very shady.

Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's great for feature development. It queries you about you intentions, creates a spec for you to review and modify, creates a plan for it to follow, then farms out the work to subagents. Crap on it all you want, but it makes LLM work predictable.

It does not make LLM work predictable. Try it on the same type of project twice and see. You think you're saving time but youd accomplish similar results with 2 or 3 skills.

Which 2 or 3 skills?

Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

#233

Despite paying for Claude access, I don't use Fable but I find this always changing policy quite exhausting to follow. There is 2x usage, there is no 2x usage, there is 2x usage but only x hours, there is no 2x usage, there is Fable access, there is no Fable access, there is Fable access till x date, there is Fable access till x + y date. This is just exhausting. I just want to open and usage the default model and wi…

It's pretty deceptive. Sonnet only? Seems to have gone. Older models disappear all the time.

This announcement in May about higher usage limits, changes to peak times https://www.anthropic.com/news/higher-limits-spacex. Is this even the case anymore? Or has it changed again. The information needs to be baked into the UI.

I set a hard cap of 200k tokens, with Claude's instructions. The app doesn't even respect this.

Someone might say this information is out there but a definitive source is often hard to find, or tell if it's current. I grow a little more and more resentful with sudden unplanned changes like this and want the day of local LLMs so I'm in full control.

Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

#234

I really hope people cancel their subs once GPT 5.6 drops. This company deserves to sink.

> I really hope people cancel their subs once GPT 5.6 drops.

I'm planning to subscribe to OpenAI after exhausting weekly usage with Fable. Good timing with GPT new models and might as well take a look at Codex.

While skills can be copy pasted, I'm not sure if the hooks are transferable.

Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I pay $200/mo because my opus usage alone is >$10k/mo at api rates. Do you think I’m making a mistake?

I read posts like these all the time and I keep wondering when they'll begin to tighten the screws on the prosumers. I think most, if not all, $200/mo individual accounts are blasting high multiples of that amount in tokens. I mean we know that doesn't work with current inference costs, not by a longshot, so I guess this is just a way to pad their numbers like "look, we're growing our user base!" while they can still…

Sure, but that’s all fine. Maybe McDonalds is just waiting for the day when enough people rely on them that they can charge $1000 for a burger. But if so, the economics aren’t going to work they way they expect.

I’ve always assumed that Anthropic sees the highest token consumers as leading indicators of how developers will use coding agents, so they’re looking at it as training data + market research, and they know that price elasticity is low so trying to charge those developers significantly more would just drive them elsewhere.

Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

#236

This reality show kind of bored me already. I haven’t even made an attempt to use Fable 5. Is it so amazing? Or is it the “intermittent reward” and exclusivity driving people to use it?

It's just empty hype. It's mildly better than Opus 4.8 at best.

You've never used it

Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

#237
After all the hype about fable 5, I was expecting more. It's just another incremental improvement in their models, nothing out of the world. Yeah it's more "independent" but that's also a problem because I like that Opus prefers to clarify a lot of stuff before going right to the implementation.

Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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post #185

This is just a series of ploys to make more marketing about fable. They know that if they make it api only nobody is going to talk about it. And knowing that openai will have a comparable model soon means they need to stir up some hype and make people use/talk about it as much as possible. And bluffing that access will be restricted until a specific date is just marketing. Like saying buy in the next 24 hours get one…

That's how i feel about it too. But i haven't used it because there's no point in getting used to a new model if it's just gonna get taken away again. I wonder if they're also doing this to get some sort of signal on which types of users everyone is - for example someone else might always be chasing whatever the best model is

Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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post #185

This is just a series of ploys to make more marketing about fable. They know that if they make it api only nobody is going to talk about it. And knowing that openai will have a comparable model soon means they need to stir up some hype and make people use/talk about it as much as possible. And bluffing that access will be restricted until a specific date is just marketing. Like saying buy in the next 24 hours get one…

That's how i feel about it too. But i haven't used it because there's no point in getting used to a new model if it's just gonna get taken away again. I wonder if they're also doing this to get some sort of signal on which types of users everyone is - for example someone else might always be chasing whatever the best model is

Oh don't get me wrong I would try to use the best model available (I don't always max out my usage, and a better model leads to less work from mw hypothetically) even when it can be taken away, I just refuse to feel pressured by them.
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