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Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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“Understands intent well and hammers until it gets there. “ If there’s anything I learned over the past 12-18 months is that this is a recipe for disaster, except for throwaway stuff. I thought most senior engineers settled on the fact that steering a model yields much better results?

For some tasks, there is no amount of "steering" that will produce sensible code. The model needs to be sufficiently capable as a baseline; this is the "intent" that people are referring to with Fable.

That doesn’t sound like the “it hammers until it’s done”-type of intent.

Just last night Fable decided to get into a rabbit hole of debugging a database driver issue by packet sniffing the network traffic instead of just adding debug statements to the code. Definitely needed steering, and I don’t know many people whose first intuition would be to use pcap when they have a segfault.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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My theory is that they don't have Fable-class intelligence so they needed different hype vehicle :) This rename helps build excitement a bit more than just releasing ordinary GPT-5.6 increment.

I think OpenAI can also use the naming playbooks of current Intel and AMD of 2000s. Possibilities are endless: - OpenAI GPT 5.6 F5+ - OpenAI GPT5-6000FT - OpenAI GPT5-6505FS - OpenAI GPT5-6F05UL Sounds nice, looks cool. Why not?

Or NVIDIA.

OpenAI GptForce 5600 XT

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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bigger doesn't mean better, chill out

That's true but size of LLMs has been strongly correlated with their "intelligence".

not just that, but the entire industry spend several years seeking investment on the "pure" idea that they just need more compute and more parameters to reach AGI.

And the "business" obvious is still doing that but the science and implementation has be realizing that this just isn't true. They're not getting AGI out of a single LLM by itself.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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I think OpenAI can also use the naming playbooks of current Intel and AMD of 2000s. Possibilities are endless: - OpenAI GPT 5.6 F5+ - OpenAI GPT5-6000FT - OpenAI GPT5-6505FS - OpenAI GPT5-6F05UL Sounds nice, looks cool. Why not?

Or NVIDIA. OpenAI GptForce 5600 XT

You can go far beyond that:

OpenAI GptForce FX6800TI Founders Edition, for example.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Sure. If his take was "100% unit test coverage is a waste of time" I think that's not unreasonable. You could make a case that the "you must write tests before you write code, every single time!" stuff is needlessly dogmatic. I also think that sometimes people focus too much on unit tests to the detriment of end to end tests that better model actual system interactions. None of these were Theo's take. He was pushing…

Tests before code makes sense when fixing bugs. Red-green specifically. 1: get bug 2: write tests that should work, but don’t because of bug 3: fix bug 4: confirm fix by running tests Makes things a LOT easier for people checking the PR, they can just confirm the tests are correct pretty much. As a bonus the same bug can’t surface again.

Oh I do that naturally as my rational problem investigation. Sometimes you can’t write a test for that, you need to test it yourself

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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There is a whole religion about tests that is worth attacking though

When I start using a chainsaw or a car I hope it has been tested (!) Without tests before delivery the one who tests is the end user. Disaster for a unreliable chainsaw, very unpleasant for a software. But you're right, the goal is not to write test but to ensure delivery of a reliable software. However each software is a prototype, something that has never been made before (unlike a manufactured car or chainsaw) so…

If you write too many preconditions, postconditions, invariants etc. Then you cement your software and you will spend most of your time on the tests rather than on the actual useful software

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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That's true but size of LLMs has been strongly correlated with their "intelligence".

not just that, but the entire industry spend several years seeking investment on the "pure" idea that they just need more compute and more parameters to reach AGI. And the "business" obvious is still doing that but the science and implementation has be realizing that this just isn't true. They're not getting AGI out of a single LLM by itself.

They clearly know it but have to pretend otherwise to keep the money flowing.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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> Not quite as "smart" as Fable, but it is incredibly capable. THIS IS BECAUSE GPT-5.6 SOL IS... just a more posttrained version of GPT-5.5, not a brand new bigger model than GPT-5.5. It's not like how Mythos is bigger than Opus. OpenAI switching to Sol/Terra/Luna renaming is just a way to rip off people and charge more usage for the same sized model. GPT-5.6 --------> GPT-5.6 Sol GPT-5.6-mini ---> GPT-5.6 Terra GPT-…

I use Open AI and Claude a lot right like a lot everyday for hours multiple hours. Open AI gives much more value for money than Claude much more I'd say x 10. Mainly I use it for writing fiction books and literally Claude is locked 90% of everyday trying to jip me for tokens. It's not as good at coding for what I do which is a very complicated application. However it is very good at writing it's really good which is…

God save us from these ai generated fiction books.
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