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Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by pdantix »

bashtoni wrote: post #17
aarvin_roshin wrote: post #4

Thoughts[^0] from Theo, who had early access: > It's a damn good model. Not quite as "smart" as Fable, but it is incredibly capable. Fixed all the problems I had with GPT-5.5. > It is incredibly determined. Will run for a day without even using a /goal. It understands subagents incredibly well and is great at orchestrating. It's super pleasant in use cases like OpenClaw and Hermes Agent. It knows iOS dev incredibly w…

I feel like listening to Theo about anything technical is like consulting a Labrador retriever for advice on quantum physics. Every time I've ever seen one of his videos it's pretty clear he has very little understanding of development or engineering. I first became aware of him from his early "unit tests are a waste of time" stuff, and it seems his skillset is building a personal brand. Fair play, he's clearly talen…

i already found his clear shilling of nextjs a bit distasteful, but his whole gpt-5 thing really just made it clear he's just not worth listening to.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

#92

Post by incrudible »

satvikpendem wrote: post #82
steve_adams_86 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's clearly very knowledgeable about some things, but I think he has harmed his credibility be becoming a 'tuber who prioritizes thumbnails and hot takes over engineering.

Not really. If you're a YouTuber it's necessary to follow the algorithm which includes making such a YouTuber face, clickbait actually works and has a direct financial correlation as Linus Tech Tips has shown.

If you are a competent engineer already why do you need to create self demeaning clickbait content on YouTube? Narcissism? I aggressively block any such content, because if you click on any of it, you easily get sent down the YouTube spiral of crap.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

#93

Post by theshrike79 »

bashtoni wrote: post #49
ttoinou wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a whole religion about tests that is worth attacking though

Sure. If his take was "100% unit test coverage is a waste of time" I think that's not unreasonable. You could make a case that the "you must write tests before you write code, every single time!" stuff is needlessly dogmatic. I also think that sometimes people focus too much on unit tests to the detriment of end to end tests that better model actual system interactions. None of these were Theo's take. He was pushing…

Tests before code makes sense when fixing bugs. Red-green specifically.

1: get bug

2: write tests that should work, but don’t because of bug

3: fix bug

4: confirm fix by running tests

Makes things a LOT easier for people checking the PR, they can just confirm the tests are correct pretty much.

As a bonus the same bug can’t surface again.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

#94

Post by solenoid0937 »

gck1 wrote: post #79
threatripper wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My feeling is that GPT-5.5 doesn't lack the raw intelligence so much as it lacks "methodology". I don't know how exactly to put it... how to approach a problem, how to take care of the details and side effects, how to handle unexpected difficulties and bugs, how to not spin out of control, how to write solid code, how to clean up afterwards, how to document, how to give useful feedback... the things that you learn on…

Is Fable really that much different? I almost instinctively create elaborate processes, workflows, set up a bunch of linters and dump research docs any time I bootstrap a new project regardless of what model I'm using. They all spiral out of control if they're not following a predefined process.

There's been a ton of discussion on HN about this but yes. It's a totally different level from Opus.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

#95

Post by theshrike79 »

gck1 wrote: post #79
threatripper wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My feeling is that GPT-5.5 doesn't lack the raw intelligence so much as it lacks "methodology". I don't know how exactly to put it... how to approach a problem, how to take care of the details and side effects, how to handle unexpected difficulties and bugs, how to not spin out of control, how to write solid code, how to clean up afterwards, how to document, how to give useful feedback... the things that you learn on…

Is Fable really that much different? I almost instinctively create elaborate processes, workflows, set up a bunch of linters and dump research docs any time I bootstrap a new project regardless of what model I'm using. They all spiral out of control if they're not following a predefined process.

(Based purely on my feels of using both daily since forever)

Claudes are more creative and get shit done, suggesting and implementing stuff you didn’t ask for but actually kinda needed. Will leave gaps and bugs though. More of an artist, communicates a bunch during the dev process too.

GPT is the engineer, given exact specs it’ll disappear into its dark corner and putter away at doing exactly what was asked, nothing more nothing less. Very very good at spotting gaps from Claude’s get shit done code.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

#96

Post by [deleted] »

ray__ wrote: post #2

Any previewers have hot takes? I've really preferred gpt-5.5 over Opus 4.8 for data analysis and scientific software work. It seems much more reliable. Fable is unusable for the type of work that I do (due to guardrails). Really looking forward to trying these new OpenAI models out.

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Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

#97

Post by xyzsparetimexyz »

aarvin_roshin wrote: post #4

Thoughts[^0] from Theo, who had early access: > It's a damn good model. Not quite as "smart" as Fable, but it is incredibly capable. Fixed all the problems I had with GPT-5.5. > It is incredibly determined. Will run for a day without even using a /goal. It understands subagents incredibly well and is great at orchestrating. It's super pleasant in use cases like OpenClaw and Hermes Agent. It knows iOS dev incredibly w…

This guy is enthusiastic about everything. Not a great benchmark

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

#98

Post by theshrike79 »

behnamoh wrote: post #57
reassess_blind wrote: post #6

I’m bouncing back between Codex and Claude like a ping-pong ball. I much prefer the experience using Codex, less verbose and to-the-point I’ve found. But Fable, being as strong as it is, is a big draw for Claude right now. I’ll likely switch back to Codex if 5.6 Sol is comparable.

How? I'm pretty much locked into Claude Code and even if gpt models are good now, the experience with codex CLI has been so bad I won't go back to it. e.g., it still doesn't have /revise or /undo!

Pi.dev makes GPT models a lot smarter, the codex harness isn’t very good

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

#99

Post by elAhmo »

I know a few of my comments are related to this, but these new names are horrible. Why introduce ANOTHER layer of confusion and drop the mini, nano suffixes that people got used to?

How does this go through so many layers of management at a trillion dollar company without who has a say raising this? I simply can't believe how stupid the naming scheme from OpenAI was and continues to be even after they acknowledged it earlier.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

#100

Post by xyzsparetimexyz »

tyteen4a03 wrote: post #46
reassess_blind wrote: post #6

I’m bouncing back between Codex and Claude like a ping-pong ball. I much prefer the experience using Codex, less verbose and to-the-point I’ve found. But Fable, being as strong as it is, is a big draw for Claude right now. I’ll likely switch back to Codex if 5.6 Sol is comparable.

Why not both? T3 Code exists.

Nice try theo
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