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GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by satvikpendem »

theshrike79 wrote: post #103
Philip-J-Fry wrote: post #60

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That depends entirely on how you're using AI. If you're getting it to do all the hard thinking, then sure using the best model is probably always going to be better. But it's also going to be expensive. Using cheaper models and using your skills and expertise from the pre-AI era can get you working just as fast. You've gotta be more specific about the work you need doing. It's less "vibes" based, but they're still ef…

OpenCode + GLM has become a daily driver for me. With the z.ai subscription it’s super cheap too. I’d describe it as something between Sonnet and Opus.

Is it cheaper than Codex for example? The problem with paying per token via API is it's not subsidized like subscriptions are, maybe Z AI one is though. But GLM doesn't have vision which is a deal breaker for many frontend or full stack tasks.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by ayewo »

leokennis wrote: post #152
elAhmo wrote: post #99

I know a few of my comments are related to this, but these new names are horrible. Why introduce ANOTHER layer of confusion and drop the mini, nano suffixes that people got used to? How does this go through so many layers of management at a trillion dollar company without who has a say raising this? I simply can't believe how stupid the naming scheme from OpenAI was and continues to be even after they acknowledged it…

(At least in Europe) Toyota used to name their models "Sol", "Luna" and "Terra" as well. Sol had all the trimmings, Terra had the least. It sounded nicer than something like "Luxury" and "Basic".

> Sol had all the trimmings, Terra had the least.

That’s interesting. My understanding is that:

Sol = Sun Terra = Earth Luna = Moon

So it’s a bit surprising that in Toyota’s nomenclature, Terra is the basic trim instead of Luna.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by satvikpendem »

simiones wrote: post #104
wahnfrieden wrote: post #33

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You answered at more or less the same time as an OpenAI engineer confirming this is the case, explaining why they did it, and pointing to their docs that also very explicitly explain this "made-up nonsense". You should really consider why you felt so certain about something you were plain wrong about.

Exactly, it's ironic that they thought they were right while talking about not having sources for another comment.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by adammarples »

re-thc wrote: post #141
solids wrote: post #113

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Exactly, and I think the tipping point was how many times “Fable” was mentioned the last weeks

Then they should have just called it Fairytale

Confabulation

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by satvikpendem »

bpavuk wrote: post #148
satvikpendem wrote: post #143

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Because people weren't using the mini and nano models. Like someone else said those are awful marketing names.

well I'm using mini models and GPT-5.4-mini is better than Gemini 3.1 Pro (considerably faster in exchange for less broad world knowledge) and 3.5 Flash (that one's trash by itself)

You are, sure, but I wonder how many weren't due to the name. In many people's minds, it's like, why even bother with a non frontier model? Especially if they're not paying for it, via their employers' subscriptions. This new OpenAI naming changes it though, they equate Sol to Fable so people will use Terra instead which has roughly 5.5 performance, thereby saving inference for OpenAI.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by thankyoufriend »

elAhmo wrote: post #99

I know a few of my comments are related to this, but these new names are horrible. Why introduce ANOTHER layer of confusion and drop the mini, nano suffixes that people got used to? How does this go through so many layers of management at a trillion dollar company without who has a say raising this? I simply can't believe how stupid the naming scheme from OpenAI was and continues to be even after they acknowledged it…

If you ever find out, let me know. My department at work has been renamed so many times, I don't even know our current name.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by KoolKat23 »

elAhmo wrote: post #99

I know a few of my comments are related to this, but these new names are horrible. Why introduce ANOTHER layer of confusion and drop the mini, nano suffixes that people got used to? How does this go through so many layers of management at a trillion dollar company without who has a say raising this? I simply can't believe how stupid the naming scheme from OpenAI was and continues to be even after they acknowledged it…

Nano and mini, which is smaller? This is a bit more clear imo. It also helps for expectations, bigger isn't necessarily better for all use cases.

(Well given the limited amount of things we can deduce from a name)

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by adammarples »

mejutoco wrote: post #121
jychang wrote: post #30

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> Not quite as "smart" as Fable, but it is incredibly capable. THIS IS BECAUSE GPT-5.6 SOL IS... just a more posttrained version of GPT-5.5, not a brand new bigger model than GPT-5.5. It's not like how Mythos is bigger than Opus. OpenAI switching to Sol/Terra/Luna renaming is just a way to rip off people and charge more usage for the same sized model. GPT-5.6 --------> GPT-5.6 Sol GPT-5.6-mini ---> GPT-5.6 Terra GPT-…

What is the language of those words (sol, terra, luna). It does not seem to be a single language. Spanish: Sol, tierra, luna Italian: Sole, terra, luna Catalan: Sol, terra, lluna Portuguese: Sol, terra, lua Might as well call it gelatto, siesta, fiesta if they think it sounds cool.

What a tantalising mystery there is here waiting to be solved!

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by dragonwriter »

KoolKat23 wrote: post #167
elAhmo wrote: post #99

I know a few of my comments are related to this, but these new names are horrible. Why introduce ANOTHER layer of confusion and drop the mini, nano suffixes that people got used to? How does this go through so many layers of management at a trillion dollar company without who has a say raising this? I simply can't believe how stupid the naming scheme from OpenAI was and continues to be even after they acknowledged it…

Nano and mini, which is smaller? This is a bit more clear imo. It also helps for expectations, bigger isn't necessarily better for all use cases. (Well given the limited amount of things we can deduce from a name)

> Nano and mini, which is smaller?

mini > micro (see, e.g., -skirts, -computers)

micro > nano (see, SI)

so, mini > nano.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by incrudible »

satvikpendem wrote: post #140
incrudible wrote: post #92

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If you are a competent engineer already why do you need to create self demeaning clickbait content on YouTube? Narcissism? I aggressively block any such content, because if you click on any of it, you easily get sent down the YouTube spiral of crap.

One can be multiple things. That you find it demeaning is your personal opinion and frankly is more a reflection on yourself. There are many like Casey Muratori that are competent engineers as well as YouTubers.

Casey (on his channels) does not do the clickbait thing, which makes all the difference. You can either maintain integrity and credibility or you can make brainrot shockface “it is over” content. There is no middle ground.

Maybe you are desensitized to it, but I have a carefully curated YouTube and I know that it can be a completely different platform experience if you reject with prejudice any such content.

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