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Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Sure. If his take was "100% unit test coverage is a waste of time" I think that's not unreasonable. You could make a case that the "you must write tests before you write code, every single time!" stuff is needlessly dogmatic. I also think that sometimes people focus too much on unit tests to the detriment of end to end tests that better model actual system interactions. None of these were Theo's take. He was pushing…

Tests before code makes sense when fixing bugs. Red-green specifically. 1: get bug 2: write tests that should work, but don’t because of bug 3: fix bug 4: confirm fix by running tests Makes things a LOT easier for people checking the PR, they can just confirm the tests are correct pretty much. As a bonus the same bug can’t surface again.

Yep, I'm in full agreement. When extending functionality of some already existing code it also generally makes sense to write tests first.

I think the value is much lower (maybe even negative) when you're still trying to work out what shape the code will take, in an initial implementation.

Of course, as others have pointed out, nuanced opinion doesn't get clicks or YouTube views.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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I know a few of my comments are related to this, but these new names are horrible. Why introduce ANOTHER layer of confusion and drop the mini, nano suffixes that people got used to? How does this go through so many layers of management at a trillion dollar company without who has a say raising this? I simply can't believe how stupid the naming scheme from OpenAI was and continues to be even after they acknowledged it…

My theory is that they don't have Fable-class intelligence so they needed different hype vehicle :) This rename helps build excitement a bit more than just releasing ordinary GPT-5.6 increment.

I think OpenAI can also use the naming playbooks of current Intel and AMD of 2000s.

Possibilities are endless:

    - OpenAI GPT 5.6 F5+
    - OpenAI GPT5-6000FT
    - OpenAI GPT5-6505FS
    - OpenAI GPT5-6F05UL
Sounds nice, looks cool. Why not?

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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My feeling is that GPT-5.5 doesn't lack the raw intelligence so much as it lacks "methodology". I don't know how exactly to put it... how to approach a problem, how to take care of the details and side effects, how to handle unexpected difficulties and bugs, how to not spin out of control, how to write solid code, how to clean up afterwards, how to document, how to give useful feedback... the things that you learn on…

Is Fable really that much different? I almost instinctively create elaborate processes, workflows, set up a bunch of linters and dump research docs any time I bootstrap a new project regardless of what model I'm using. They all spiral out of control if they're not following a predefined process.

Very. Fable 5 is incredibly efficient token wise, second only to GPT-5.5 and is far more affordable run-to-run than the pure input/ouput costs would suggest. Task adherence, task inference, tool calling and task assessment are all significantly ahead of GPT-5.5, especially as the later strongly degrades the second compaction comes into the mix, I suspect because of OpenAIs obsessive optimisation of reasoning tokens into a hard to read (and thus also hard to compact) mess.

Fable 5 meanwhile has a reliable 1m context window and compaction that the few times I did eval it does also do well. Not quite as easy to trust as GPT-5.4, but that's mainly because with thats 272k context window I simply got more familiar with GPT-5.4s incredibly dependable compaction.

Purely concerning encoded information wise, Fable 5 is near or on the same level as Gemini 3.1 Pro in my limited test set focused on those tasks, which in very niche cases can make a difference even with coding, but the truest advantage for coding assistance (besides frontend/UX) is that the code Anthropic models provide is more parsable. Hard to explain, but I can read, follow and mentally map Fable 5 (and even Opus 4.5-4.8) output far more than GPT-5.4 or GPT-5.5 code.

Task orchestration and (more importantly) knowing when to recommend against using such vs Opus 4.8 is another strength of Fable 5 I've use liberally, there is an understanding of what a tasks requirements and the most optimal setup for success are, I have not yet seen before. Computer use is also solid, albeit not as token efficient as GPT-5.5 for my limited use cases.

Lastly, I will say that the classifier has become far less intrusive for me compared to the initial release. During the previous launch window, on Claude.ai I triggered the classifier for simple frontend tasks for regular (not security vocabulary containing) webpages. Now that is no longer the case. Inside Claude Code I occasionally triggered the classifier previously, but after the re-release, I only managed one, even when working with a privacy focused section of the code base containing a significant number of code comments with security and privacy focused wording. That one instance was rectified quickly by trying again, so I really am having a hard time following how others experience the issues some describe. I do have routing to Opus 4.8 without confirmation by me deactivated too, simply because I want to know if it ever happens, so it's not that I missed reroutings.

That all being said, we are still far from a stage where I'd not want to review the output, but yes, I do rate Fable 5 very highly. GPT-5.5 can have a similar ceiling but long horizon has become less usable over GPT-5.4 and in either case, parsing their output is (far more) of a chore. Maybe post training can address some of this, hopeful on the compaction front myself. Also interested in what happened to OpenAI models on AWS Trainium, I was expecting that to be a major boon for their commercial adoption, but haven't heard anything since then...

On the post training front, I am still hopeful that the Gemini team can finally get tool calling and task adherence to an acceptable level as we do need every competitor possible and purely considering the information density the model was trained with, they have great potential.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Is this the reason Anthropic extended use of Fable 5 via subscriptions until July 12? Seems a bit like it

Probably, but I think it's too little too late. Not much point to it if it's not permanent. The "get the most out of Fable until it goes away" frenzy is getting old fast. The cybersecurity blocks are very obnoxious too. If OpenAI can launch a Fable tier model that's actually usable on a subscription, then Anthropic is just going to lose, and badly.

Agreed, this is one of the things I'm very surprised - one would think that a product like this is managed more consistently, but every few days there is another announcement or change in what the subscription can and can't do and to what extent.

Same also for the announced changes around `claude -p` and Agent SDK use that were backtracked

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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See, you are already confused: it's Sol/Terra/Luna, descending order by diameter. One is tempted to put the Sun and the Moon before the Earth, as those are "celestial".

So, Terra should work for most "down-to-earth" problems, Luna is for light-weight stuff (because less gravity?), and if you really want to burn tokens like there's no tomorrow, you go for the fusion furnace at the center of our solar system?

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Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

#136
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My theory is that they don't have Fable-class intelligence so they needed different hype vehicle :) This rename helps build excitement a bit more than just releasing ordinary GPT-5.6 increment.

I think OpenAI can also use the naming playbooks of current Intel and AMD of 2000s. Possibilities are endless: - OpenAI GPT 5.6 F5+ - OpenAI GPT5-6000FT - OpenAI GPT5-6505FS - OpenAI GPT5-6F05UL Sounds nice, looks cool. Why not?

> OpenAI can also use the naming playbooks of current Intel

Past Intel had way better naming.

It'd just be OpenAI GPT 5.6++++++++++++++

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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> Not quite as "smart" as Fable, but it is incredibly capable. THIS IS BECAUSE GPT-5.6 SOL IS... just a more posttrained version of GPT-5.5, not a brand new bigger model than GPT-5.5. It's not like how Mythos is bigger than Opus. OpenAI switching to Sol/Terra/Luna renaming is just a way to rip off people and charge more usage for the same sized model. GPT-5.6 --------> GPT-5.6 Sol GPT-5.6-mini ---> GPT-5.6 Terra GPT-…

What is the language of those words (sol, terra, luna). It does not seem to be a single language. Spanish: Sol, tierra, luna Italian: Sole, terra, luna Catalan: Sol, terra, lluna Portuguese: Sol, terra, lua Might as well call it gelatto, siesta, fiesta if they think it sounds cool.

As you may have guessed, it's Latin.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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> Not quite as "smart" as Fable, but it is incredibly capable. THIS IS BECAUSE GPT-5.6 SOL IS... just a more posttrained version of GPT-5.5, not a brand new bigger model than GPT-5.5. It's not like how Mythos is bigger than Opus. OpenAI switching to Sol/Terra/Luna renaming is just a way to rip off people and charge more usage for the same sized model. GPT-5.6 --------> GPT-5.6 Sol GPT-5.6-mini ---> GPT-5.6 Terra GPT-…

What is the language of those words (sol, terra, luna). It does not seem to be a single language. Spanish: Sol, tierra, luna Italian: Sole, terra, luna Catalan: Sol, terra, lluna Portuguese: Sol, terra, lua Might as well call it gelatto, siesta, fiesta if they think it sounds cool.

Latin.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

#139

I’m bouncing back between Codex and Claude like a ping-pong ball. I much prefer the experience using Codex, less verbose and to-the-point I’ve found. But Fable, being as strong as it is, is a big draw for Claude right now. I’ll likely switch back to Codex if 5.6 Sol is comparable.

5.6 Sol is extremely good, definitely Fable level from my experience. With 5.6 Sol being half the price and noticeably faster I think Anthropic will find the coming months unpleasant.

How do you have access?

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Not really. If you're a YouTuber it's necessary to follow the algorithm which includes making such a YouTuber face, clickbait actually works and has a direct financial correlation as Linus Tech Tips has shown.

If you are a competent engineer already why do you need to create self demeaning clickbait content on YouTube? Narcissism? I aggressively block any such content, because if you click on any of it, you easily get sent down the YouTube spiral of crap.

One can be multiple things. That you find it demeaning is your personal opinion and frankly is more a reflection on yourself. There are many like Casey Muratori that are competent engineers as well as YouTubers.
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