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We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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Post by solumunus »

andxor wrote: post #87
user3939382 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Subscription is ~$200/month. When I tried running on tokens it was ~$500/day for the same usage pattern. My guess is my usage is atypically high, but even if the average equivalent is $100-250/day you can get a sense of how much Anthropic is subsidizing subscriptions as a loss leader to lock market share. IMHO this is a doomed strategy since open models will get into a long tail of parity and they’ll ultimately essen…

What makes you think the API costs are "the true price" and anywhere near their inference costs? Also what percentage of users do you think actually maxes out their subscription? I suspect they're subsidizing a lot less than people think.

Well they’ve claimed operational profitability on that, and probably aren’t lying as they’re about to IPO…

Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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Post by gck1 »

Culonavirus wrote: post #131
brookst wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I pay $200/mo because my opus usage alone is >$10k/mo at api rates. Do you think I’m making a mistake?

I read posts like these all the time and I keep wondering when they'll begin to tighten the screws on the prosumers. I think most, if not all, $200/mo individual accounts are blasting high multiples of that amount in tokens. I mean we know that doesn't work with current inference costs, not by a longshot, so I guess this is just a way to pad their numbers like "look, we're growing our user base!" while they can still…

You can't drive prosumers anywhere near API prices. I would guess that the maximum you can extract from vast majority of prosumers is maybe $500/mo, and even that is a big stretch.

Once you cross that threshold, prosumers will simply fall back to using Chinese models and/or self-hosting smaller models, with more efficient and tight workflows.

You'd be killing your consumer line completely.

Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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Post by mahkeiro »

Fable may be fine but it tripped itself in the security measure and suddenly went to opus in the middle of a rework of a price index where it was improving the correction of past exchange rate… And of course now it hides all the thinking process and just spit out the results.This make it a pain to review the proposed change and underlying reasons. Working for a ling time with that is going to be a nightmare for anyone trying to understand what are the change for and a massive cognitive load.

Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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Post by mavamaarten »

g42gregory wrote: post #97

I am using Opis 4.8 xhigh, in OMP.sh coding agent (full agent built on Pi), with Matt Pocock Skills installed. I don’t see a particular bump in code quality from Fable 5. In fact, it feels less reliable to me than my current setup. No sure why I am not seeing what everybody else is seeing. Perhaps OMP/Pi (head and shoulders better than Claude Code) + Matt Pocock Skills already encode all the agentic improvements Fabl…

I had the same sentiment. In my limited testing, it didn't perform any better than Opus at all. It wasn't a particularly challenging taskset either, mostly just "add this simple feature" with plenty of context and very clearly defined scope. It worked functionally but there were much better and simpler approaches available. For the cost, I don't see how Fable can ever be worth it.

Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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Post by alex7o »

This is just a series of ploys to make more marketing about fable. They know that if they make it api only nobody is going to talk about it. And knowing that openai will have a comparable model soon means they need to stir up some hype and make people use/talk about it as much as possible. And bluffing that access will be restricted until a specific date is just marketing. Like saying buy in the next 24 hours get one free.

Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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Post by xienze »

sroussey wrote: post #134
psyclobe wrote: post #104

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Seriously, just let me fucking pay to get steady service 24/7.

Use console and pay API rates. Very predictable.

No, not like that! Something that gives me unlimited usage for an insane discount!

Re: We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

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Post by LoganDark »

skeledrew wrote: post #37
LoganDark wrote: post #12

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I immediately downgraded my subscription as soon as they revoked access, then upgraded it again once Fable came back. So they're getting no extra month out of me unless they keep Fable available.

Isn't the plan locked for the month though? I don't see them processing refunds for anyone who starts with Max and downgrades to Pro. Although the converse wouldn't be true: they'd be happy to upgrade a plan at any point.

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