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Re: We charge $10k a week to delete AI-generated code

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Post by christophilus »

midtake wrote: post #136
thraway3837 wrote: post #39

We replaced a 120,000 USD/year low-code/no-code platform that was running a lot of workflows. And we have another platform that is also similar that we are on track to replace by EOY. Both have been replaced by "vibe" coding. It works well. Everyone's happy. People are having fun with it. We get feature requests, improvements, ideas, feedback. JIRA tickets get created, and we ask AI to reference that ticket, code to…

> We have senior engineers review the actual functionality and none of them have read any more than a few lines of code. A senior engineer should be able to efficiently read thousands of lines of code per day. Maybe this is what you meant by "a few"?

I doubt the thousands of lines per day claim unless the lines are trivial. It’s quite fatiguing to read hundreds.

Re: We charge $10k a week to delete AI-generated code

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Post by thraway3837 »

blanched wrote: post #97
ramesh31 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>"So what do you / your team do?" Probably the hard part; figuring out what the heck to actually build, talking to customers, and figuring out whether it's actually working for people. Nobody cares that your codebase is Clean and SOLID, or uses $whatever_framework of the day with 100% test coverage.

Yes, I'm familiar with these talking points. I didn't mention clean code or solid or frameworks or anything like that. However, the poster explicitly said they don't do what you said (EDIT: I misinterpreted some of these): RE "talking to customers" > We get feature requests, improvements, ideas, feedback. JIRA tickets get created, and we ask AI to reference that ticket, code to it, and create a PR RE "figuring out wh…

Sorry for the confusion, we talk to customers both internal and external that drive these feature requests.

We ultimately decided that paying for low code/no code platforms was pointless because that's what AI coding is. 90% of the time, we don't even have VS Code open and just gloss over the diffs in the PR.

I honestly don't know what the trajectory of those low code/no code platforms are going to look like. Are their senior strategists looking at the landscape in the last year and going "oh. no. What is the point of our product anymore because what's the point of people dragging and dropping no-code connectors to build an application when they can get 100% portability and transparency by having code generated by AI"

Re: We charge $10k a week to delete AI-generated code

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Post by alightsoul »

kdheiwns wrote: post #104
blanched wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we ask AI to reference that ticket, code to it, and create a PR > none of them have read any more than a few lines of code So what do you / your team do?

It's really quite interesting how there are always posts on HN with people talking about how AI made their life great, did it cheaply, made a great product, and saved the day. But whenever someone asks for specifics, the questions are always dodged or answered very vaguely. It's rare that anyone ever even says what their product does.

I have Claude work on web app testing scripts written in java using JUnit and selenium. The scripts test a vibe maintained flight booking app for an airline I can't mention without doing myself. The app is maintained using copilot by another vender. Claude was given to our team by our employer. We aren't even employees of the airline just contractors under a vendor. Before Claude was adopted everyone secretly used whatever chatbot they preferred. I used opencode with Deepseek v4.

Re: We charge $10k a week to delete AI-generated code

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Post by alightsoul »

martin1975 wrote: post #35

I guess it was only a matter of time before this niche of business developed. AI is an imprecise "programming" language, full of ambiguity (English) trying to produce precise relationships between different concepts. It certainly works great on small scale, building block type of things, but the more a project grows in complexity, components, interfacing with other heterogenous systems in other languages or APIs, und…

I can't agree with saying ai is failing, I mean if you work at a company with a lot of software engineers it can be true, but from what I see it's mostly non technical companies that adopt vibe coding to address technical problems. It's just another form of outsourcing

Re: We charge $10k a week to delete AI-generated code

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Post by strken »

slopinthebag wrote: post #59
llm_nerd wrote: post #40

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> I guess it was only a matter of time before this niche of business developed. This is a fun webpage, and it feeds a certain bias, but there really isn't a "niche" beyond getting people to upvote it for the lulz. I would be extremely surprised if they find a single paying customer. And to be fair, lots of grifters have done the fake it till you make it act on HN, so someone saying "Oh I'm totally going to give them…

Ask almost any software developer in big tech about their software and I’m sure they’ll praise it. Using it is a completely different story. I’m sure you think you’re having success vibecoding enormous and extremely complex problems, but I’d bet their either not extremely complex or it’s not working as well as you think.

This is misreading the original reply. An enormously complex problem is different from an enormously complex project. Complex projects can usually be decomposed into tasks of varying complexity, some of which I bet an LLM helps with.

Re: We charge $10k a week to delete AI-generated code

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Post by thraway3837 »

icase wrote: post #117
thraway3837 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know, that question should trouble us more. But honestly we've all asked ourselves that same question and I think our collective response is too nuanced to try to type properly but I'll try. Tools are always made out to seem like the human could be replaced. We've seen that every time some new technology comes out that some people claim will replace humans once and for all! But this does not seem to be true. What…

writing code is the actual fun part of the job though. it’s a shame we automated that instead of the boring system design shit.

This is the conflict we've entered. There is a good portion of the engineering population that considers coding fun.

The other side considers shipping as a feature.

I can both sympathize and empathize with this conflict.

Re: We charge $10k a week to delete AI-generated code

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Post by nullsanity »

blanched wrote: post #49
thraway3837 wrote: post #39

We replaced a 120,000 USD/year low-code/no-code platform that was running a lot of workflows. And we have another platform that is also similar that we are on track to replace by EOY. Both have been replaced by "vibe" coding. It works well. Everyone's happy. People are having fun with it. We get feature requests, improvements, ideas, feedback. JIRA tickets get created, and we ask AI to reference that ticket, code to…

> we ask AI to reference that ticket, code to it, and create a PR > none of them have read any more than a few lines of code So what do you / your team do?

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Re: We charge $10k a week to delete AI-generated code

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Post by thraway3837 »

kdheiwns wrote: post #104
blanched wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we ask AI to reference that ticket, code to it, and create a PR > none of them have read any more than a few lines of code So what do you / your team do?

It's really quite interesting how there are always posts on HN with people talking about how AI made their life great, did it cheaply, made a great product, and saved the day. But whenever someone asks for specifics, the questions are always dodged or answered very vaguely. It's rare that anyone ever even says what their product does.

I'm happy to provide specifics, within reason, of course. Ask away. I've since responded to comments with more detail, but if I missed something there, let me know!
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