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Re: We charge $10k a week to delete AI-generated code

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> One week. Three senior engineers. $10,000. What your markup on their salaries? For the level of work you're promising, it sounds like they may be at market or below.

This seems like a easy way to get into consulting. Once you deliver the code back to the owners they are going to do the vibe coding again on the top whatever refactored code you get back. In other words it can become a perpetual cycle.

Re: We charge $10k a week to delete AI-generated code

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post #12

“We use Claude Code too” I understand that it’s probably impossible to sell non-AI-assisted solutions to AI-pilled companies (even when their headaches are AI-induced), but my gut reaction to “take an AI-inflated codebase and apply AI deflation to it” is something like “that’s akin to applying two rounds of lossy transcoding; the errors don’t cancel out, they cross-multiply”.

NGL I'd argue there's a certain appeal to "use AI to prototype a feature as fast as possible and focus your engineer hours on building a comprehensive testing and fuzzing plan" followed by a "remove and review everything that can be cut without breaking the tests" cleanup pass.

The “cleanup pass” never happens, though. It’ll just be new feature on top of new feature until it’s too large to refactor.

Re: We charge $10k a week to delete AI-generated code

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I guess it was only a matter of time before this niche of business developed.

AI is an imprecise "programming" language, full of ambiguity (English) trying to produce precise relationships between different concepts.

It certainly works great on small scale, building block type of things, but the more a project grows in complexity, components, interfacing with other heterogenous systems in other languages or APIs, understanding wtf is going on top to bottom.... it fails miserably.

Reminds me of how xUML was going to be the panacea to replace coding. AI is failing for the same reasons. At least with xUML you have a precise definition - with AI, you're vibing your way into one.

Re: We charge $10k a week to delete AI-generated code

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post #12

“We use Claude Code too” I understand that it’s probably impossible to sell non-AI-assisted solutions to AI-pilled companies (even when their headaches are AI-induced), but my gut reaction to “take an AI-inflated codebase and apply AI deflation to it” is something like “that’s akin to applying two rounds of lossy transcoding; the errors don’t cancel out, they cross-multiply”.

Ngl I’m doing this right now for a client. Part of my strategy is to write out e2e tests that get a certain baseline of functionality, and then use that as the check for any change that I make to the codebase to make sure it continues to work.

So workflow for a full web app is make e2e tests for all use cases. Then add a very strict duplication checker, and linter, and then just tell the ai to hit a certain duplication limit like 3%, check the linter, and add unit tests to ~95% or greater of the code.

With the right CI and other checks that are deterministic you can really do a lot with a codebase.

Re: We charge $10k a week to delete AI-generated code

#39
We replaced a 120,000 USD/year low-code/no-code platform that was running a lot of workflows. And we have another platform that is also similar that we are on track to replace by EOY.

Both have been replaced by "vibe" coding. It works well. Everyone's happy. People are having fun with it. We get feature requests, improvements, ideas, feedback. JIRA tickets get created, and we ask AI to reference that ticket, code to it, and create a PR.

We have senior engineers review the actual functionality and none of them have read any more than a few lines of code.

Every person who builds like this has the same DX (developer experience): "Wow, I've been wanting to build this thing for years now. I just never had the time to do the things I wanted to do to help me and the teams that depend on us"

Total cost of AI subscription per month: Less than $1000. Preference is Claude Opus and Codex whatever the latest model is. Effort is a personal preference since it does not seem to matter.

Re: We charge $10k a week to delete AI-generated code

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I guess it was only a matter of time before this niche of business developed. AI is an imprecise "programming" language, full of ambiguity (English) trying to produce precise relationships between different concepts. It certainly works great on small scale, building block type of things, but the more a project grows in complexity, components, interfacing with other heterogenous systems in other languages or APIs, und…

> I guess it was only a matter of time before this niche of business developed.

This is a fun webpage, and it feeds a certain bias, but there really isn't a "niche" beyond getting people to upvote it for the lulz. I would be extremely surprised if they find a single paying customer. And to be fair, lots of grifters have done the fake it till you make it act on HN, so someone saying "Oh I'm totally going to give them my corps code" convince no one.

>It certainly works great on small scale .... it fails miserably.

If your large system isn't the interactions of a lot of "small scale" projects, you are doing it wrong.

No seriously, it's bizarre how people keep using this as their defence against AI, and at this point it's basically saying "Sure AI works on good projects, but it doesn't work on our giant spaghetti code monstrosity cludged together in a million terrible ways"

I've had tremendous productivity using AI on some enormous and extremely complex projects, courtesy of modularization, separation of concerns, explicit APIs, and so on.

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