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Re: We charge $10k a week to delete AI-generated code

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Post by t-writescode »

teravor wrote: post #60
K0balt wrote: post #11

lol looks like they are using a similar methodology to how we use Claude in house. Honestly, the code we write with AI is cleaner, better documented, better factored, more maintainable, and less bugs than back in old days before code assistant agents. I think people must be just yoloing it, because it seems a lot like a holding it wrong type problem. Documentation driven development is your friend.

with AI, documentation driven development is an understatement, if you take the time not just to document but to also provide lots of examples and potentially even data structures for the implementation (including intermediary data structures if you know them) the output is better than anything you would make in reasonable time.

If you have done or are doing all of that, why not just use the code you’ve made inside your docs?

Like, are you using languages where data structures are hard to write and/or work with? Typescript, Kotlin, Python and Ruby (via Sorbet or DryStruct) are all really easy to write all those data structures and code.

Re: We charge $10k a week to delete AI-generated code

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Post by llm_nerd »

xmprt wrote: post #52
llm_nerd wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I guess it was only a matter of time before this niche of business developed. This is a fun webpage, and it feeds a certain bias, but there really isn't a "niche" beyond getting people to upvote it for the lulz. I would be extremely surprised if they find a single paying customer. And to be fair, lots of grifters have done the fake it till you make it act on HN, so someone saying "Oh I'm totally going to give them…

> I've had tremendous productivity using AI on some enormous and extremely complex projects, courtesy of modularization, separation of concerns, explicit APIs, and so on. The problem I've had with AI systems is that they eventually realize it's possible to solve a problem by linking together two separate systems in subtle ways that result in spaghettification of good code. It takes active effort to get them to follow…

> It takes active effort to get them to follow strict separation of concerns and modularization

100% agreed. AI tools are a multiplier for experienced, conscientious developers who pay attention. Bad developers can still make bad code with any tool, and AI allows them to make more bad code quicker.

Re: We charge $10k a week to delete AI-generated code

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Post by rustystump »

thraway3837 wrote: post #39

We replaced a 120,000 USD/year low-code/no-code platform that was running a lot of workflows. And we have another platform that is also similar that we are on track to replace by EOY. Both have been replaced by "vibe" coding. It works well. Everyone's happy. People are having fun with it. We get feature requests, improvements, ideas, feedback. JIRA tickets get created, and we ask AI to reference that ticket, code to…

Press y to doubt that 1k/m using opus… that cannot be true.

Re: We charge $10k a week to delete AI-generated code

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Post by colordrops »

Cyberdog wrote: post #34
OneDeuxTriSeiGo wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NGL I'd argue there's a certain appeal to "use AI to prototype a feature as fast as possible and focus your engineer hours on building a comprehensive testing and fuzzing plan" followed by a "remove and review everything that can be cut without breaking the tests" cleanup pass.

The “cleanup pass” never happens, though. It’ll just be new feature on top of new feature until it’s too large to refactor.

Except it does. It's not some law of physics. I've done exactly this on multiple projects, both personal and corporate.

Re: We charge $10k a week to delete AI-generated code

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Post by MangoCoffee »

AI slop? Humans write slop too. We’ve all heard the stories, companies outsource projects to India, only to bring them back to the US for the local team to fix.

I saw it myself at a past job. We hired a consulting firm to convert a project. They outsourced it to India. In the end, we had to hire a US company to rewrite the whole thing from scratch.

Talk about slop!

Re: We charge $10k a week to delete AI-generated code

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Post by t-writescode »

ruslan wrote: post #63

I wish these guys luck in finding their customer. Really. Because real solution to the problem would be to hire old-style developers to rewrite the whole slop from scratch without AI being involved. Fixing broken slop is Sisyphus's labor.

I mean, not really? The urge to throw all the code out and start over is what ever mid-level software engineer has always wanted to do, and it’s almost never the right choice. The old code worked well enough most of the time, it just didn’t have good or safe practices and those can be retrofit.

In fact, doing and directing such things are kinda senior, principal and management jobs, in general.

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Post by ch4s3 »

nvr219 wrote: post #54
blanched wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we ask AI to reference that ticket, code to it, and create a PR > none of them have read any more than a few lines of code So what do you / your team do?

Mostly post on hacker news.

Living the dream! Son of Anton provides.

Re: We charge $10k a week to delete AI-generated code

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Post by sethev »

MangoCoffee wrote: post #75

AI slop? Humans write slop too. We’ve all heard the stories, companies outsource projects to India, only to bring them back to the US for the local team to fix. I saw it myself at a past job. We hired a consulting firm to convert a project. They outsourced it to India. In the end, we had to hire a US company to rewrite the whole thing from scratch. Talk about slop!

So true. Where do people think agents learned to write slop?!

Re: We charge $10k a week to delete AI-generated code

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thraway3837 wrote: post #39

We replaced a 120,000 USD/year low-code/no-code platform that was running a lot of workflows. And we have another platform that is also similar that we are on track to replace by EOY. Both have been replaced by "vibe" coding. It works well. Everyone's happy. People are having fun with it. We get feature requests, improvements, ideas, feedback. JIRA tickets get created, and we ask AI to reference that ticket, code to…

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Re: We charge $10k a week to delete AI-generated code

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Post by ramesh31 »

blanched wrote: post #49
thraway3837 wrote: post #39

We replaced a 120,000 USD/year low-code/no-code platform that was running a lot of workflows. And we have another platform that is also similar that we are on track to replace by EOY. Both have been replaced by "vibe" coding. It works well. Everyone's happy. People are having fun with it. We get feature requests, improvements, ideas, feedback. JIRA tickets get created, and we ask AI to reference that ticket, code to…

> we ask AI to reference that ticket, code to it, and create a PR > none of them have read any more than a few lines of code So what do you / your team do?

>"So what do you / your team do?"

Probably the hard part; figuring out what the heck to actually build, talking to customers, and figuring out whether it's actually working for people.

Nobody cares that your codebase is Clean and SOLID, or uses $whatever_framework of the day with 100% test coverage.

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