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Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera
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Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera
#472My Hyundai Ioniq 6's "safety" systems have caused several near accidents and scary and distracting moments, as soon as I forget to turn them off. I have to disable these every time I start the car.
I find my Nissan Leaf similar. The A-pillars are so thick to keep me safe but I can't see pedestrians very well. So now I have to move my head around like a party parrot. Then the regen brake sort of has a dead spot where I feel pressure on my foot but it doesn't actually brake making it hard to stop quickly and smoothly. On a purely hydraulic brake what you feel is what you get. Then the camera doesn't see people as well as it sees bigger cars. I've nearly hit some people because of these factors.
Sometimes I really need it accelerate hard so I can get into traffic but the software decides too close to the car in front so it cuts the power when I need it most.
A lot of these safety features are throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera
#473Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's very hard to do that when every few seconds some new alarm goes off and some big red flashing warning on the TV screen that's blocking your view of the road comes on.
Perhaps not everyone should be driving? This is not a criticism towards you, I don't have the patience to be behind a wheel, and I know of many drivers that are a danger to themselves and others. If the side effect of this system is that there are fewer people driving because they can't manage the alarms, then that's good enough for me.
I don't want any kind of alarms, indicators, beepers, flashers, or other distract-o-trons in cars, for any reason.
It's pretty simple.
You should be driving a car, not a pinball table.
Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera
#474Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera
#475I have a 2012 Skoda Yeti, 170000 miles. Serviced every year, never had anything go wrong with it yet. If it starts costing me money I will buy a 2012 Skoda Yeti from Autotrader with 50000 miles on the clock. At my age that should just about do me :)
I'm 21 years old, I'm driving a 2010 car with the intention to keep driving it for at least another few years (well over 200,000km).
I service it every 5,000 to 7,500km. I drive decently aggressive though. I'm scared that I'll never get to drive a "cool" car in my life. The future is grim and new cars are just NSA spyware with annoying beeps.
I think I'll honestly kill myself before I have to sit in a modern car with a "driver monitor camera".
Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera
#476Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's very hard to do that when every few seconds some new alarm goes off and some big red flashing warning on the TV screen that's blocking your view of the road comes on.
This hyperbole is barely worth responding to. If someone really triggers alerts on such a regular basis, then I have to question whether they have a road legal driving style based on the quality and accuracy those assistants actually have now achieved. Oh, and the dashboard in my newest car is smaller than any dashboard with analog needles could ever have been. Dashboards probably have gotten smaller, not bigger with…
The "assistants" are consistently useless.
I neither want nor need anything beeping away because it thinks that someone might be driving in the lane beside me, which is what seems to freak the Kias out the most.
I don't want it to suddenly panic brake from 70mph to 30mph because it saw the shadow of the car I'm overtaking on the road.
None of this is good.
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#477Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's like we live in different worlds. The entire arc of technology over the past 30 years has been to centralize, collect, and then monetize. There are tons of systems that shouldn't be doing that, but they all evolve to end up doing that. We need a new version of Zawinski's Law: every company will attempt to monetize until they're selling user data.
That's literally why we have GDPR. This will be very illegal and the law itself specifically bans user identification with camera on top of the stuff protected by GDPR.
The enforcement of GDPR is more or less nonexistent for big companies. Even if they get fined, that is just cost of business for them.
In the text nothing prevents the manufacturer to stream the vide of your face to their servers all over the world and do the image processing there. It would even comply with GDPR if everybody pinky promised they not using that data for anything else.
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#478Fun fact: there are significantly more heat deaths in Europe than car fatalities.
Interesting priorities...
Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera
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Over Christmas, I spent several minutes trying to debug my beeping dashboard - it only seemed to happen sometimes while driving, so stopping didn’t let me figure it out. Eventually I discovered that it was beeping at me because my eyes weren’t on the road enough. Of course, figuring that out required me to take my eyes off the road to figure out which blinking signal was associated with this particular alarm. Also, b…
Imagine driving thru night with kids sleeping and suddenly car starts beeping. Is there a way how to switch sensors off for similar situations?
In my experience, rental cars are the worst. They are configured to make so much noise. My kids sleep in rentals more than daily driving too (longer commutes when traveling). My 2022 Volvo treats me like a adult and makes very little noise. Heads up display shows things that might be important.
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#480Earlier quoted context omitted.
> What prevent you from putting a sticker over it ? Because it'll beep.
That sounds like a hardware issue that might be soluble in "wire cutters and a bad attitude", or at minimum "hot air resoldering station, microscope, and a bad attitude". I wonder what their software stack is like, too.
Until you realize these aren't isolated systems. This is one of the 30 different sensors used to monitor drivers.
If you cut a wire, expect the car company + insurance company to become aware of the "mod" you did. Expect the car to simply not start anymore. Expect the local authorities to be notified.
We need to stop this nonsense at the legislation level, not after the fact.