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Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by monknomo »

dumbmrblah wrote: post #207
peterlk wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Over Christmas, I spent several minutes trying to debug my beeping dashboard - it only seemed to happen sometimes while driving, so stopping didn’t let me figure it out. Eventually I discovered that it was beeping at me because my eyes weren’t on the road enough. Of course, figuring that out required me to take my eyes off the road to figure out which blinking signal was associated with this particular alarm. Also, b…

So to play devil's advocate... were you taking your eyes off the road for too long? There are many many poor drivers and many many distracted drivers out there. I'm not accusing you of one, but maybe a little bit of self-introspection may be necessary.

yeah, my car doesn't like it when I look more than 2 cars ahead, or if I am looking uphill (because I am driving uphill)

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by LtWorf »

thegrim33 wrote: post #74
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #6

All new cars. At this point I don't know if I'd buy anything made after 2008. Whenever I rent a new car around here (in the EU) I find them very annoying. The worst is the cruise control that tries to stick to the speed limit -- but its sensors don't always read the signs very well, so you'll often slow to 50 km/h (about 30 mph) for no reason. Then there's the incessant beeping at you, "lane assist" that you can't tu…

Well yeah, that's the point. They want to enshitify cars and make driving as expensive and as annoying as possible to force people out of cars. They know they can't just ban cars outright, so they enshitify this little thing this year, mandate this other thing the next year, add a new tax/fee the next year, add a new restriction the next year, reduce speed limits the next year, etc., etc., all in the name of safety /…

Lol no they don't, governments still think automotive industry is great, and of course so do the owners of these industries.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by TacticalCoder »

Invictus0 wrote: post #65

I would rather die in a car crash than get nagged like this. Europe is the nanniest of nanny states, its inconceivable that people actually want to live like this.

It's incredible that comments similar to yours are getting actively downvoted.

People cannot even criticize the surveillance state: we're at that point.

It's "won't see" / "won't hear" / "won't talk" monkeys, always ever state-loving.

"ChatControl 2.0 ain't that bad because it's not mandatory"

"A camera in every car ain't that bad because the recordings won't necessarily be shared"

It's sickening. I'm tired of you people.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by brikym »

BeetleB wrote: post #258

I love the warning about not having hands on the steering wheel. It goes off all the time. And each time, my hands are on the steering wheel. It doesn't actually detect contact - it checks to see if you're actively adjusting the steering wheel. Except I don't need to! The lane keep assist is so good that it's rare I have to give it additional help. So - I kid you not - I've gotten used to giving a nudge to the steeri…

My Nissan does check both hands are contacting the steering wheel making lane centering basically useless if I want to do anything with one hand like adjust my glasses, change the audio etc.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by gmac »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #6

All new cars. At this point I don't know if I'd buy anything made after 2008. Whenever I rent a new car around here (in the EU) I find them very annoying. The worst is the cruise control that tries to stick to the speed limit -- but its sensors don't always read the signs very well, so you'll often slow to 50 km/h (about 30 mph) for no reason. Then there's the incessant beeping at you, "lane assist" that you can't tu…

Renault have nailed this. In their latest cars (the EVs, at least) you set up which features you do and don’t want, then a single button press when you get in the car makes it so.

Some of their implementations, such as lane keeping, are good enough to keep. Others, such as speed limit detection, aren’t (though it’s much better at French speed limits than UK ones, which I suppose makes sense).

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by mrtksn »

eastof wrote: post #302
mrtksn wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It BS article, no cameras pointed at your face are required. They require "Advanced Driver Distraction Warning System", don't specify how it should be implemented. Here's the text describing the system: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg_del/2023/2590/oj/eng It specifically mentions that it is illegal to use the cameras from such system to identify the person. It is pretty much the opposite of what people think its go…

Is it BS if this is the only way to implement such a system? Then it is practically required. Legal or not these cameras will be used to identify you, car companies do all kinds of shady stuff with the data they collect with all their fancy new sensors. Besides, cars have famously lagged in security standards, so this data will be exfiltrated. By comparison, your comment is more hysterical sounding than the article.…

If you want to believe that when light shines on a CCD chip the only option is to record the data and transmit it to the corporations and the governments then keep believing it. Everything needs to be extreme after all, right?

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by GuinansEyebrows »

slopinthebag wrote: post #256
stackghost wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who is "they"? What is their motive for wanting to "force people out of cars"?

The “green movement” and “the environment” but mostly a desire for control. Why should people be able to own private property like cars, we should all be using government owned means of transportation in our new socialist utopia.

"the environment" wants to "force people out of cars"? are you hearing yourself?

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by [deleted] »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #6

All new cars. At this point I don't know if I'd buy anything made after 2008. Whenever I rent a new car around here (in the EU) I find them very annoying. The worst is the cruise control that tries to stick to the speed limit -- but its sensors don't always read the signs very well, so you'll often slow to 50 km/h (about 30 mph) for no reason. Then there's the incessant beeping at you, "lane assist" that you can't tu…

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Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by hoherd »

FunHearing3443 wrote: post #242
avaer wrote: post #75

"The cars have all have cameras checking for bad behavior, why shouldn't your phone and laptop?" said the esteemed lawmaker. "Oh course there will be exceptions for politicians and authorized individuals, for national security reasons."

I think part of this acceptance of the "well if it saves one [usually child's] life..." - it's extremely powerful but is deceptive as it devalues the value of freedom (or some similar trait).

Yeah, "think of the children" is a rhetorical technique but also a logical fallacy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by iamnothere »

frollogaston wrote: post #253
hollow-moe wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ecall is mandatory, you'll eventually fail road safety inspections.

Ok, it's basically illegal then, and also enforced. So guess that "just disconnect the modem" advice is wrong.

Just reconnect it before the inspection?
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