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Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by stackghost »

thegrim33 wrote: post #74
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #6

All new cars. At this point I don't know if I'd buy anything made after 2008. Whenever I rent a new car around here (in the EU) I find them very annoying. The worst is the cruise control that tries to stick to the speed limit -- but its sensors don't always read the signs very well, so you'll often slow to 50 km/h (about 30 mph) for no reason. Then there's the incessant beeping at you, "lane assist" that you can't tu…

Well yeah, that's the point. They want to enshitify cars and make driving as expensive and as annoying as possible to force people out of cars. They know they can't just ban cars outright, so they enshitify this little thing this year, mandate this other thing the next year, add a new tax/fee the next year, add a new restriction the next year, reduce speed limits the next year, etc., etc., all in the name of safety /…

Who is "they"?

What is their motive for wanting to "force people out of cars"?

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by quickthrowman »

warp wrote: post #79
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #6

All new cars. At this point I don't know if I'd buy anything made after 2008. Whenever I rent a new car around here (in the EU) I find them very annoying. The worst is the cruise control that tries to stick to the speed limit -- but its sensors don't always read the signs very well, so you'll often slow to 50 km/h (about 30 mph) for no reason. Then there's the incessant beeping at you, "lane assist" that you can't tu…

I have a Volkswagen ID3, I love the adaptive cruise control. Yes, it gets it wrong in some spots (signage isn't great here in Asturias, Spain), and it gets it wrong in both directions (too slow at certain locations, too fast in others). But I still appreciate the convenience of not having to keep an eye on the speed nor the distance between the my car and the vehicles in front of me when driving on the freeway, where…

I just drive my car because you have to pay attention anyways. No cruise control, nothing.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by hnav »

frollogaston wrote: post #51
CGMthrowaway wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't rule out another Cash for Clunkers. The 2009 program destroyed 1 in 300 cars on the road. The next one could be bigger. Also, 3 in 4 cars on the road today are now in states requiring emissions tests for your annual registration, which can pose a significant (and growing, as standards improve) obstacle for older cars.

The article is about the EU, but since you brought up US emissions testing... I live in California, only drive mid 2000s cars, and haven't noticed any of the restrictions getting tighter. It's the usual check every 2 years at the same place. Seems my cars are grandfathered into old emissions standards too. And yeah I enjoy having my car shut the hell up and let me drive.

For mid 2000s, the car is self monitoring so an emissions check is just a visual once over to ensure no physical tampering and a computer readout of emission readiness monitors + firmware checksum for digital tampering.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by pmontra »

nathias wrote: post #19
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #6

All new cars. At this point I don't know if I'd buy anything made after 2008. Whenever I rent a new car around here (in the EU) I find them very annoying. The worst is the cruise control that tries to stick to the speed limit -- but its sensors don't always read the signs very well, so you'll often slow to 50 km/h (about 30 mph) for no reason. Then there's the incessant beeping at you, "lane assist" that you can't tu…

yes I can't understand how anyone buys these

Because there is nothing else left to buy.

I only buy second hand cars but sooner or later I'll have to buy a post 2026 car.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by EA-3167 »

cellular wrote: post #105
afarah1 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU driving assists are obtrusive to the point of making driving less safe in my experience. Great video on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-S76WEl25k

How many bells would sound if SUNGLASSES hid your eyes?!

I can answer this, since I have a new car with this camera and polarized sunglasses.

MOST of the time it's good about telling when I'm looking and when I'm not, out of maybe... 5 alerts over the previous 8 months all, but one occurred when I was in fact looking away for one reason or another. Likewise when it's correct my lane-keeping it's been right about me drifting.

Given how inattentive I see other drivers being, on their phones for example, and taking into account that I'm (based on my record) a good driver who is attentive... I appreciate these additions. I doubt that they make us less safe, we just dislike anyone or anything telling us how to drive, because "we already know what we're doing." The subjective experience of being distracted however isn't usually so clear-cut, it FEELS like you're paying attention.

Note: This is a new model Lexus, so I expect this represents that brand as well as Toyota, but beyond that I don't know.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by Spooky23 »

frollogaston wrote: post #51
CGMthrowaway wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't rule out another Cash for Clunkers. The 2009 program destroyed 1 in 300 cars on the road. The next one could be bigger. Also, 3 in 4 cars on the road today are now in states requiring emissions tests for your annual registration, which can pose a significant (and growing, as standards improve) obstacle for older cars.

The article is about the EU, but since you brought up US emissions testing... I live in California, only drive mid 2000s cars, and haven't noticed any of the restrictions getting tighter. It's the usual check every 2 years at the same place. Seems my cars are grandfathered into old emissions standards too. And yeah I enjoy having my car shut the hell up and let me drive.

I’m imagine that’s coming soon. Most new large cars are getting turbos now to meet federal and state standards, the turbos wear faster and I’m sure there will be a desire to validate them.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by stackghost »

drnick1 wrote: post #102
thegrim33 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well yeah, that's the point. They want to enshitify cars and make driving as expensive and as annoying as possible to force people out of cars. They know they can't just ban cars outright, so they enshitify this little thing this year, mandate this other thing the next year, add a new tax/fee the next year, add a new restriction the next year, reduce speed limits the next year, etc., etc., all in the name of safety /…

You forgot the bike lanes that take up road space but nobody uses. Every socialist mayor's favorite anti-car policy.

>You forgot the bike lanes that take up road space but nobody uses.

Where I live (city in the PNW), bike lanes see heavy use year-round.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by VBprogrammer »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #55
driverdan wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The intrusiveness of these systems varies significantly between manufacturers. Don't buy one with an annoying, intrusive system.

Most of the rentals around my neck of the woods are VWs or entry-level Mercedes. The two seem approximately equally bad; they both have the exact same problems with cruise control, lane assist beeps, speed limit beeps, "take a break!" beeps, and so on. I've heard that Dacia has some models that are like 2008 throwbacks, with "modern" annoyances kept to a bare minimum, but they're considered too low-market for the ren…

Ever driven a Dacia? I had one for a rental in Portugal. Honestly the least comfortable and most irritating vehicle I've ever driven. I'm not just being fussy, we've had plenty of Hyundais, Citroens and the like without a problem.
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