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Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by darrylb42 »

pwg wrote: post #134
CGMthrowaway wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't rule out another Cash for Clunkers. The 2009 program destroyed 1 in 300 cars on the road. The next one could be bigger. Also, 3 in 4 cars on the road today are now in states requiring emissions tests for your annual registration, which can pose a significant (and growing, as standards improve) obstacle for older cars.

> which can pose a significant (and growing, as standards improve) obstacle for older cars. At least for my state, the emissions test a car has to pass is whatever it was supposed to have passed when it was fresh off the assembly line. So older cars do not have to pass stricter newer standards that newer cars have to pass. Now, granted, wear and tear will eventually result in an older car not passing its original sta…

BC stopped emission testing 10ish years ago because new cars almost never fail so there wasn't much value continuing the program.

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Post by unfitted2545 »

frollogaston wrote: post #205
drnick1 wrote: post #102

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You forgot the bike lanes that take up road space but nobody uses. Every socialist mayor's favorite anti-car policy.

That's the classic. City is not friendly to bikes or peds, they add bike lanes, city is not friendly to bikes peds or cars.

Cars aren't friendly to cities

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by frollogaston »

hollow-moe wrote: post #150
frollogaston wrote: post #81

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It's illegal to disconnect the modem? Where?

Ecall is mandatory, you'll eventually fail road safety inspections.

Ok, it's basically illegal then, and also enforced. So guess that "just disconnect the modem" advice is wrong.

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Post by toephu2 »

aljgz wrote: post #136

New cars are UX nightmares. I'm driving an electric Toyota bz4x. Lovely mechanics, but the general UX (some are because of Android Auto) is terrible. The remote's lock/unlock don't do anything when the car is on. Example: I'm by the trunk and it won't open unless I go back to the driver's door and unlock the doors. App's remote function has too many conditions to do anything. For instance, I'm resting in the back sea…

New Teslas are not a UX nightmare... go test drive a Kia, Hyundai, Toyota, GM, etc, then lastly a Tesla. Come back and tell me which car has the best software.

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Post by slopinthebag »

stackghost wrote: post #141
thegrim33 wrote: post #74

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Well yeah, that's the point. They want to enshitify cars and make driving as expensive and as annoying as possible to force people out of cars. They know they can't just ban cars outright, so they enshitify this little thing this year, mandate this other thing the next year, add a new tax/fee the next year, add a new restriction the next year, reduce speed limits the next year, etc., etc., all in the name of safety /…

Who is "they"? What is their motive for wanting to "force people out of cars"?

The “green movement” and “the environment” but mostly a desire for control. Why should people be able to own private property like cars, we should all be using government owned means of transportation in our new socialist utopia.

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Post by FunHearing3443 »

yoyohello13 wrote: post #139
throw0101d wrote: post #52

I have a manual 2003 Golf TDI (purchased in 2003; has a tape deck!) that's slowly rusting, and I'm not looking forward to when I have to replace it. I don't have a garage/drive way, and so have to park on the street, which makes me leans towards another short [1] vehicle: currently thinking about VW Golf, Mazda 3, Mazda CX-30, Kia Niro. From what I've seen from almost all cars, lots more screens and lots fewer button…

Yeah I have 2002 Honda accord and I’m dreading the day I need to get a modern car. My wife has a 2021 car and there is not a single feature it has that is necessary. In fact, many of them are actively bad. I’ve been driving every day, accident free, for 20 years and have never once needed lane assist, attention tracking or whatever the fuck. I wish there was a car that just had no additional ‘features’ beyond actual…

thankfully most of the mid-2010's I've driven haven't been bad

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Post by BeetleB »

I love the warning about not having hands on the steering wheel.

It goes off all the time. And each time, my hands are on the steering wheel.

It doesn't actually detect contact - it checks to see if you're actively adjusting the steering wheel.

Except I don't need to! The lane keep assist is so good that it's rare I have to give it additional help.

So - I kid you not - I've gotten used to giving a nudge to the steering wheel every so many seconds to prevent that warning (you cannot disable it).

Imagine a car gave you cruise control, and then checked if you were paying attention by requiring you to press down on the accelerator every so many seconds. Does that make sense?

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Post by tjwebbnorfolk »

mrtksn wrote: post #249
tjwebbnorfolk wrote: post #226

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This is what we call a slippery slope

Nope, that's not what we call slippery slope. This system does not require data recording or sharing, does not require cameras.

Once the camera is there, the temptation for future governments to use this power for more things than originally required will become irresistible.

also: https://www.google.com/search?q=what+does+slippery+slope+mea...

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Post by illusive4080 »

BeetleB wrote: post #258

I love the warning about not having hands on the steering wheel. It goes off all the time. And each time, my hands are on the steering wheel. It doesn't actually detect contact - it checks to see if you're actively adjusting the steering wheel. Except I don't need to! The lane keep assist is so good that it's rare I have to give it additional help. So - I kid you not - I've gotten used to giving a nudge to the steeri…

I do this too. Want to get a comma.ai device just so I don’t have to wiggle the steering wheel.
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