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Chat Control 1.0 and 2.0 Explained

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At this point I think it's obvious that EU is in turmoil. They're struggling to come to grips with the idea of a Russian invasion on their eastern borders, and simultaneously USA pivoting to Asia and not willing to front their defense after 40+ years of imploring them to do so themselves. They've outsourced nearly every critical component of a large sustainable society to the rest of the world: Russia, USA, China, In…

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Why don't you tell me what you know about this topic

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Chat control 1.0 "A temporary derogation from the ePrivacy Directive that allowed (but did not require) providers to scan private messages of unsuspected users for potential child sexual abuse material." Does that imply it's currently not allowed? EDIT: apparently not enforced at least: "Chat Control 1.0 expires The legal ground for voluntary, indiscriminate scanning ends. Google, Meta, Microsoft, and Snap state they…

This should not be put in the same category as Chat Control 2.0. Doing so severely dilutes the brand Chat Control.

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To everyone who wants to dismantle the EU: this is not the solution. Dismantling the EU is like burning down your own house just to get rid of flies. The UK left the EU and implemented its own version of chat control - Online Safety Act - without any transparency or real opposition. The right solution is the political fight. Europe is our home. We must keep it in good shape by getting rid of anything that makes it wo…

Of course Americans want us to dismantle the EU, we are even weaker against US influence without it.

Isn't the EU rather like a single point of failure?

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post #41

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> Political groups are factions of the Parliament, while parties are alliances of national parties at EU level, funded through the EU budget. Neither the group in the Parliament nor the lawmakers will face any consequence if ESN loses its status as a European party. It’s important to note the lawmakers stay in office even if the European party is banned. Europe is also not the US and from my knowledge it seems that t…

Unless they are doing something criminal their values are their and their voters business, regardless of how reprehensible they might be.

I don't know how the procedure for banning a europarty looks but in Germany the bar is very high. It must be against the core constitutional values (human dignity, freedom, democracy) and pose a threat to that (infamously NPD was not banned as it was found to small to pose a threat).

The procedure here seems to be similar to Germany that the parliament can only request a review from an independent body (in Germany the constitutional court) if this is the case, the actual decision comes from that body after a lengthy process.

Behind the europarty is (among others) the AfD for which the public has been debating for years now on wether to attempt to ban them because of their danger, so it doesn't seem very far fetched for their EU party really.

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Unless they are doing something criminal their values are their and their voters business, regardless of how reprehensible they might be.

In Germany it is illegal to have Nazi-like values, such as wanting to expel all non-German people.

Is it illegal too to expel non-citizens? IIRC the issue is primarily wanting to expel certain citizens.

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Just think "neighborhood", no? This seems like splitting hairs... And to what end? to take a shot at EU supra-national structure? ("What, you don't ally to your country?" kinda shade.) -- Canadian

more like an increasingly authoritative and retarded HoA.

... which you have no obligation to follow the rules of

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Of course Americans want us to dismantle the EU, we are even weaker against US influence without it.

Isn't the EU rather like a single point of failure?

No, every country remains sovereign. Hungary's previous regime ignored the EU for over a decade. Many countries are instituting border controls again despite the Schengen agreement.

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Alternative for Germany (Alternativ für Deutschland, AfD) is a party that wants to revoke citizenship of brown people and expel them from the country. There are very good reasons they should be banned. Their opposition to chat control is completely incidental.

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