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Chat Control 1.0 and 2.0 Explained

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Post by shevy-java »

delichon wrote: post #32

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This is a bit skewed. AfD stands for a lot more than "merely" an opponent of chat control, including worshipping the 1930s era.

As another example, one of their members (Noah Krieger) fights on behalf of Russia, conquering lands and killing civilians (article from today only in german, sorry: https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/videos-mit-schutzweste-u...). And many other problems I could list about AfD. So t he "they want to ban those opposing chat control" - sorry, that is a huge simplification.

> It would be hard to imagine a US party that didn't believe the other party is out of compliance with US values.

Ah? And why are there only two corrupt parties in the USA to begin with? I mean that's no real choice. Both are corrupt, and one now entered cult-status with the mad orange king. His cronies get rich. Everyone sees this. So, sorry, but your attempt to promote the USA while praising the AfD, is simply flat out rubbish nonsense. We only have bad actors here, no good ones.

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Post by pqtyw »

arjie wrote: post #31

I don't understand. How does it affect encrypted messages? It seems like either you need: 1. allow MITM decryption by a privileged authority 2. require all devices doing E2EE have a non-user-modifiable piece of functionality to scan on-device The second is the Apple style on-device CSAM scanner? I have to say that I do sometimes think about it while taking a photo of my baby playing in the bathtub - photos like my pa…

Apple's proposal was only for photos being uploaded to iCloud and not local ones.

IIRC weren't there some thoughts that they'd switch iCloud to E2E but add local scanning on upload (compare to what it currently when Apple, Google, etc. freely scan all your cloud photos anyway). That didn't seem like a terrible deal on paper.

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Post by retinaros »

iknowstuff wrote: post #63
retinaros wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the eu has always been an instrument of american imperialism. leader like ursula was casted away of german politics for corruption and most of the other big names had ties to american companies like goldman sachs or’other financial institution. the eu is a prison for all of us. for a moment germany thought they could use it as an instrument to win and crush its biggest competitors (france and uk) but now they dont ha…

you seem to be from Russia. You do realize it's not in the EU right?

russia was indeed the ones who pushed germany to be reliant on their energy instead of going for nuclear. they funded green party to do that. and germany on their side then voted laws and pushed eu to remove nuclear from green energies list so that france wouldnt have an edge against germany shooting themselves in the foot

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Post by nickslaughter02 »

cynicalsecurity wrote: post #8

To everyone who wants to dismantle the EU: this is not the solution. Dismantling the EU is like burning down your own house just to get rid of flies. The UK left the EU and implemented its own version of chat control - Online Safety Act - without any transparency or real opposition. The right solution is the political fight. Europe is our home. We must keep it in good shape by getting rid of anything that makes it wo…

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Post by latexr »

closuregarden wrote: post #4
olejorgenb wrote: post #3

Chat control 1.0 "A temporary derogation from the ePrivacy Directive that allowed (but did not require) providers to scan private messages of unsuspected users for potential child sexual abuse material." Does that imply it's currently not allowed? EDIT: apparently not enforced at least: "Chat Control 1.0 expires The legal ground for voluntary, indiscriminate scanning ends. Google, Meta, Microsoft, and Snap state they…

Yes, the derogation expired on 4 April 2026.

They just voted to reinstate it, and it passed by a narrow majority.

https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/195338

They did id sneakily.

https://www.politico.eu/article/president-vs-parliament-robe...

As I understand it, there will still be another related vote on Thursday, so call your representatives!

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Post by cassepipe »

vlian2088 wrote: post #46
cassepipe wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's stop the blut and soil BS right here. I am all for european panationalism but don't pretend that Europe is "your house" where "your ancestors" were. You come from a very specific culture inside it which has its own specific language and traditions and that has spent most its history warring with its neighbours, sometimes people in the next village speaking a different version of your lanuage. My ancestors and y…

>Let's stop the blut and soil BS do you feel the same way when Africans speak of Africa?

I think less because I am not an african myself but yes, I guess it could ?

Can you provide me with some example of something that you think I would not disapprove of and that amounts the exactly the same thing ?

Or maybe can you try to defend the blood and soil rethoric (call it the way you want) instead of a drive-by comment ?

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Post by pqtyw »

rpadovani wrote: post #11
joe_mamba wrote: post #7

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>but expecting EU to clean up after the US shooting itself in the foot Please don't pretend to misunderstand a point just to manufacture the opportunity to reply in bad faith. Nobody in EU is saying the EU should clean up others' mess around the world, people are just saying the EU should be busy building domestic capacity and capabilities to insulate itself from the issues caused by others around the world, such as…

> Nobody in EU is saying the EU should clean up others' mess around the world That's literally what the top poster said. Your points make sense, "EU should reopen Hormuz" is laughable

> is laughable

Exactly, that's why it was obvious he was speaking implicitly.

And well... EU will have to clean up others mess that they sprayed all over Europe anyway.

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Post by bonoboTP »

mikaeluman wrote: post #53

Most everyone would love to see more work on stopping child sexual abuse. But this is the ultimate "grant me dictatorial powers so I can do good" play. Rather than narrow and specific - it's a broad based law that suddenly touches everyone even though offenders are a small percentage and should be able to be targeted more efficiently.

The bad consequences are diffuse, abstract and distant (conspiracy-looking, tinfoil-like), while it's very easy to viscerally understand that "even if they just save one child, it's already worth it".

They should give precise numbers of how many such crimes are detected via such means or are expected to be detected per year, and how many of those are not possible to catch through regular investigative work. It just seems ridiculously out of proportion especially that with all this flurry around the topic, the criminals surely aren't using WhatsApp for this any more, but especially won't be once the law is adopted. Sure, many are likely stupid but if they are so stupid, won't they fall into other honeypots?

Why are chat apps the best leverage for uncovering this? They'd have to justify this with some sort of data and numbers.

Because later they can just come back and say, well unfortunately they are now all using other means, so now we need to break https,we need to ban e2e, we need to ban vpns, tor and foss operating systems etc etc.

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Post by judge2020 »

rwq-askh wrote: post #5

EU politicians spend more time on chat control than on the reopening of Hormuz or EU energy security. It is a complete joke.

Would've been so much better to reduce the scope of your comment to just energy security.

I don't see how the EU lived live with already higher energy prices compared to the US for so long and still don't make better renewable policy top priority.

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