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Chat Control 1.0 and 2.0 Explained

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Re: Chat Control 1.0 and 2.0 Explained

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Post by arjie »

I don't understand. How does it affect encrypted messages? It seems like either you need:

1. allow MITM decryption by a privileged authority

2. require all devices doing E2EE have a non-user-modifiable piece of functionality to scan on-device

The second is the Apple style on-device CSAM scanner? I have to say that I do sometimes think about it while taking a photo of my baby playing in the bathtub - photos like my parents have of me which have been kind of nice to see later. It would be a pity if I had to have a separate analog camera just for baby photos because then I'd need to learn the whole developing film stuff.

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#33

Post by logicchains »

hsuduebc2 wrote: post #20
Insimwytim wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dismantling the EU is like burning down your own house I'm not an expert, but isn't "your own house" should rather be your country in this analogy? It ought to be still there without some bureaucratic institution on top of it.

Maybe “your own city” would be a more precise metaphor than “your own house”. Your country is your house, but the EU is the city around it, with the roads, infrastructure, shared rules, market, security, and institutions that make the house function. The concept of a modern nation is also relatively new. It emerged as an identity for groups of people who were no longer defined mainly by the monarchs ruling over them.…

>the EU is the city around it, with the roads, infrastructure, shared rules, market, security, and institutions that make the house function.

If you measure "function" by the relative economic and military power of the country, then the EU has overwhelmingly degraded the function of its initial members compared to when they joined.

Re: Chat Control 1.0 and 2.0 Explained

#34

Post by raverbashing »

terabytest wrote: post #22

As a EU citizen I’m at a loss for what to do about this. I feel that they’re going against any average citizen’s interest. What can we do to make them stop?

The irony is that those questions can only be legally questioned when they're approved (and sometimes have a defined implementation)

Then there's the whole kerfuffle about how to actually implement this

So the thing that comforts me is that it's a dumpster fire all the way down and I'm sure there will be plenty of legal complaints about it

Re: Chat Control 1.0 and 2.0 Explained

#35

Post by petcat »

arjie wrote: post #31

I don't understand. How does it affect encrypted messages? It seems like either you need: 1. allow MITM decryption by a privileged authority 2. require all devices doing E2EE have a non-user-modifiable piece of functionality to scan on-device The second is the Apple style on-device CSAM scanner? I have to say that I do sometimes think about it while taking a photo of my baby playing in the bathtub - photos like my pa…

> It would be a pity if I had to have a separate analog camera just for baby photos because then I'd need to learn the whole developing film stuff.

Polaroid coming back in business! I would not complain at all if we started reverting some of our lifestyle behaviors back to analog.

Re: Chat Control 1.0 and 2.0 Explained

#36

Post by petcat »

Zufriedenheit wrote: post #28

They claim to protect consumers and privacy and then push this creepy surveillance state.

At this point I think it's obvious that EU is in turmoil. They're struggling to come to grips with the idea of a Russian invasion on their eastern borders, and simultaneously USA pivoting to Asia and not willing to front their defense after 40+ years of imploring them to do so themselves.

They've outsourced nearly every critical component of a large sustainable society to the rest of the world: Russia, USA, China, India.

But at the same time, their politicians can't do anything because the minute they suggest that they might have to start cutting pensions and public welfare, and all of these different things in order to start supporting national industry and defense, they lose support immediately.

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Post by arjie »

petcat wrote: post #35
arjie wrote: post #31

I don't understand. How does it affect encrypted messages? It seems like either you need: 1. allow MITM decryption by a privileged authority 2. require all devices doing E2EE have a non-user-modifiable piece of functionality to scan on-device The second is the Apple style on-device CSAM scanner? I have to say that I do sometimes think about it while taking a photo of my baby playing in the bathtub - photos like my pa…

> It would be a pity if I had to have a separate analog camera just for baby photos because then I'd need to learn the whole developing film stuff. Polaroid coming back in business! I would not complain at all if we started reverting some of our lifestyle behaviors back to analog.

Haha, we do have those Instax Mini cameras. They make for a nice dose of nostalgia. We have a big frame full of photos of our friends and family on the wall and it's nice to walk by.

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#39

Post by skylurk »

logicchains wrote: post #29
cassepipe wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's stop the blut and soil BS right here. I am all for european panationalism but don't pretend that Europe is "your house" where "your ancestors" were. You come from a very specific culture inside it which has its own specific language and traditions and that has spent most its history warring with its neighbours, sometimes people in the next village speaking a different version of your lanuage. My ancestors and y…

>Europe is imperfect but it has rejected the idea of war outside of itself. I don't think any European citizen would go to war with their neighbour. Just that is an amazing achievement. Not really. South American countries don't go to war with each other and they don't have a union. Nor do central American countries.

It does get tense sometimes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_War

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