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Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

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Re: Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

#171

The more people become criminals the harder it becomes to enforce the law. This is especially ironic because criminals that genuinely matter and cause wide-scale harm won't even be impacted by this.

Yeah. That’s really the dumbest part. Criminal will be using systems that don’t follow EU rules

Re: Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

#172

All new laws should be given a trial period where the lawmakers are forced to live with them for 90 days before the public is subjected to them. At any time during that period lawmakers can change their vote.

In addition there should be pretty specific criteria to determine if the law is successful or not. After 90 days it can be evaluated, and either rolled back or extended

Re: Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

#174

Is anyone working on a "No chat control at all, ever law"? If these can be defeated, presumably one of those could become law.

I would have thought that the right to privacy as a fundamental human right would have been sufficient. But apparently not....

Equally, there is abundant precedent for forbidding interference with old-fashioned postal communications, that seemingly doesn't translate to electronic communications...

Re: Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

#175

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The European Comission is the top decision maker of the EU. The European citizen has zero (0) influence on the members or actions of the EC. No different than the politburo in China.

Apart from the fact it can't make decisions. It can only propose; the decision is made by the EU parliament.

fortunately I don't think the average EU citizen could name a single member of the EU parliament

Re: Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

#176

The more people become criminals the harder it becomes to enforce the law. This is especially ironic because criminals that genuinely matter and cause wide-scale harm won't even be impacted by this.

Yeah. That’s really the dumbest part. Criminal will be using systems that don’t follow EU rules

I think this all came from trying to enforce rules on people that shit talk on the internet which is especially pointless now cause you may be trying to enforce law on a random AI agent.

Re: Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

#177

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1 - this is about Chat Control 1.0 2 - The vote was on the "Urgency requirement" > parliamentarians starting their summer break whenever they want will never not be funny Eh. This is the least problematic thing here. Some MEPs might just be on official PTO.

The voting dynamics changing beacause elected representatives can't plan their vacations like any regular work place is pretty silly

Yes it's a dirty trick

Re: Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

#178

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What I don't understand is, what kind of legitimate criminal would not use such techniques? Are bank robbers planning things out on iMessage? If so, presumably they won't be criminals for very long. Therefore these types of initiatives only impact the innocent and inept but still active criminals.

Epstein used Gmail

True!

Re: Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

#179

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You have apparently no idea what an actual dictatorship is

It's mostly a lack of properly descriptive words in the language. I think "totalitarian liberalism" or the "managerial state" is probably closer to what we're talking about here. Power is not concentrated in one individual; responsibility and accountability are diffused so far that it is impossible to find someone who actually can do or change anything. "Rational systems" of business process and rigour serve to remov…

It has more terms as well: neoliberal encasement, depoliticization or post-politics, it's designing a system in such a way as to protect private property, international trade and other economic orthodoxy from democratic influence. That is an incredibly potent theory to understand the EU by. Lots of work in academia on the subject as well, for instance:

https://www.jstor.org/stable/45129546

https://lpeproject.org/blog/neoliberal-encasement-infrastruc...

Re: Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

#180
It is really worrisome to me that such a procedure is even possible. I don't understand all the EU voting rules, they are so complex that it feels to me like if they want to push something through there is always some way to do it even though the vast majority of people don't want it.
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