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Re: Why skilled workers come to Germany and then leave again

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Post by dofm »

simianwords wrote: post #103
dofm wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Biological race does not, indeed, exist. Really at all. Defining it as a many-dimensional spectrum just so you can to continue to use the word "race", now that is torturing semantics. The semantics I am referring to are the suggestion that "white" and "black" exist as races on a genetic level. The example I am introducing is to test the understanding behind that suggestion.

> Biological race does not, indeed, exist. Really at all Self identified race/ethnicity correlates highly with ancestry. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1196372/ It is therefore correct to suggest that race does have a biological basis.

Correct based on a correlation? Novel idea.

You should consider answering my question though.

Re: Why skilled workers come to Germany and then leave again

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Post by throw-the-towel »

ido wrote: post #7
schnitzelstoat wrote: post #5

I lived there for around 6 months like 15 years ago so perhaps it's changed a lot since then. But even as an Englishman, it was very different to home. I remember the supermarket was shut all Sunday and was only open until 12 on the Saturday, and it shut early in the week too (at like 5pm or 6pm or something?) so by the time I'd got the train back home from work it was already closed. I had to get up early every Satu…

Supermarket opening times are definitely not that restrictive (these days, but I don't recall it ever being like you mentioned & I moved to Berlin in 2013). The ones near me are usually open early morning till late evening (8-10pm), monday to saturday.

The way you call 8pm "late evening" confirms GP's experience :)

Re: Why skilled workers come to Germany and then leave again

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Post by sillyfluke »

sdsdssweew213 wrote: post #17
Alien1Being wrote: post #2

German discrimination and racism towards migrant workers and visible minorities is world class. And with Alternative für Deutschland / AfD rising rapidly, this is only going to get much, much worse. https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/70478/study-finds-racis... https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/latest-news/germany-...

I would hardly call it "world class". Most of the world is much harsher place to migrants than any EU member country. Privileged, well paid expats may be treated nicely in most of the world, but that does not apply to refugees and people who move for low-paid manual labor.

Sure, but I think what grates on people with Germany is the "they should know better" aspect of it. People have (or had) expectations of EU countries they don't have of "the harsher places".

Re: Why skilled workers come to Germany and then leave again

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Post by mimischi »

atoav wrote: post #99
probably_wrong wrote: post #48

I migrated to Germany 10+ years ago and I'm still here. Based on my limited experience, there are two big issues. First, things are bad : trains are getting worse every year, the highways are in disrepair (ask me about Bonn!), overloaded doctors, impossibly slow bureaucracy, economic crisis, growing inequality, housing crisis, and so on. If you're a fresh immigrant who cannot find a job in an economic crisis (aka "mo…

The issues you see now in Germany are the direct consequence of the Merkel era conservative government and its austerity policy. They really wanted to get the deficit down at all cost. And all cost included any sort of needed maintenance on public infrastructure.

Danke Merkel!

/s

Re: Why skilled workers come to Germany and then leave again

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Post by xienze »

dofm wrote: post #28
simianwords wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Races don't exist on any biological level. Racists evidently do. Believing in the false construct of biological race doesn't necessarily make you a racist; it doesn't really even seem to be a precondition anymore. But it was the foundation for sociopolitical racism, so if the concept of race guides your thinking about people's characteristics, especially their non-physical characteristics, you are at least somewhat i…

> Races don't exist on any biological level.

You sure about that?

https://www.nmdp.org/get-involved/join-the-registry/ethnicit...

> Finding the right donor for a patient isn’t simple. Donors and patients are matched largely based on genes called human leukocyte antigens (HLAs). These genes code for proteins—or markers—found on most of the cells in your body. When it comes to matching HLA types, a patient’s ethnic background is important in predicting the likelihood of finding a match. That’s because HLA is inherited. Some ethnic groups have more complex tissue types than others, which makes finding a close match more difficult.

Re: Why skilled workers come to Germany and then leave again

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Post by throw-the-towel »

superze wrote: post #9

Why would anyone wanna go to a country that pays them low abuses them and they end up alone with no friends because this is Germany.

In my case (not Germany but also in the EU), I just bought into European propaganda too much.

Re: Why skilled workers come to Germany and then leave again

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Post by socalgal2 »

soco wrote: post #85
thi2 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Germans tend to differentiate between getting takeout (something like kebab/pizza/asia box to go or delivered home) or eating out (going to a restaurant and eating there). But I'd argue for most people getting into the car to get takeout is not very common.

Thinking about my Swiss village, the only takeout worth thinking about is the delicious kebab downhill which doesn't do delivery. Otherwise it would be all eat.ch and similar. Why should I drive when I can get it delivered for no extra cost? I guess it's just a cultural difference, not a drawback (in either direction)

Maybe you need to live somewhere with more options to compare?

As one example, Tokyo has 160,000 restaurants. NYC has 21k. Divided by population that's 5x more in Tokyo.

Other example would be most major Asian cities. Taipei for example has 20-30 night markets each with 50 to 500 stalls. Kuala Lumpur has mamak food stand areas all over, often open till 4am.

Re: Why skilled workers come to Germany and then leave again

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Post by phainopepla2 »

sillyfluke wrote: post #113
sdsdssweew213 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would hardly call it "world class". Most of the world is much harsher place to migrants than any EU member country. Privileged, well paid expats may be treated nicely in most of the world, but that does not apply to refugees and people who move for low-paid manual labor.

Sure, but I think what grates on people with Germany is the "they should know better" aspect of it. People have (or had) expectations of EU countries they don't have of "the harsher places".

Sometimes called the soft bigotry of low expectations

Re: Why skilled workers come to Germany and then leave again

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Post by throw-the-towel »

soco wrote: post #85
thi2 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Germans tend to differentiate between getting takeout (something like kebab/pizza/asia box to go or delivered home) or eating out (going to a restaurant and eating there). But I'd argue for most people getting into the car to get takeout is not very common.

Thinking about my Swiss village, the only takeout worth thinking about is the delicious kebab downhill which doesn't do delivery. Otherwise it would be all eat.ch and similar. Why should I drive when I can get it delivered for no extra cost? I guess it's just a cultural difference, not a drawback (in either direction)

I buy takeout instead of delivery just to get out of the house.

Re: Why skilled workers come to Germany and then leave again

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Post by _zoltan_ »

throwawaypath wrote: post #70
probably_wrong wrote: post #48

I migrated to Germany 10+ years ago and I'm still here. Based on my limited experience, there are two big issues. First, things are bad : trains are getting worse every year, the highways are in disrepair (ask me about Bonn!), overloaded doctors, impossibly slow bureaucracy, economic crisis, growing inequality, housing crisis, and so on. If you're a fresh immigrant who cannot find a job in an economic crisis (aka "mo…

>First, things are bad: trains are getting worse every year, the highways are in disrepair (ask me about Bonn!), overloaded doctors, impossibly slow bureaucracy, economic crisis, growing inequality, housing crisis, and so on. Any minute now those millions of doctors, lawyers, and engineers from the MENA countries that flooded Germany the past decade will fix all that! Any minute!

that was such a self inflicted wound that Europe, and Germany, did to itself. No wonder people are voting AfD.

and for the downvoters: these are facts. this is what the politician in Europe campaigned with, built platforms on and said for everything. "We'll get engineers, and doctors! Lots of workers!" Fast forward 5 years... How's the Willkommenkultur going you ask? Look at AfD. Look recently at the 10 million Switzerland votes.

And I'm writing this as an immigrant myself... It's sad.

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