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Why skilled workers come to Germany and then leave again

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Re: Why skilled workers come to Germany and then leave again

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Post by heyheyhouhou »

Alien1Being wrote: post #2

German discrimination and racism towards migrant workers and visible minorities is world class. And with Alternative für Deutschland / AfD rising rapidly, this is only going to get much, much worse. https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/70478/study-finds-racis... https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/latest-news/germany-...

I'm from a "southern" country and I lived in Germany for 10 years. My kids were born there.

Last year we decided to move to my home country because of "too many things" but also fed up of feeling an immigrant.

Few months ago I met a German family living around here in a coastal area. I asked them why they moved here and they answered me straight to my face "Because in Germany there are too many immigrants". I think the joke tells itself.

Re: Why skilled workers come to Germany and then leave again

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Post by simianwords »

dofm wrote: post #79
simianwords wrote: post #77

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> Races don't exist on any biological level Races exist at the biological level. I'm surprised this is even contested. IDK what makes you think white person is different from a black person? Is it vibes? Even a kid knows that a white person has different DNA.

Black and white are not races. They are racial discrimination categories. People with black skin are not one identifiable group except "black skin". Which is a heritable trait that affects pigmentation used to create a social discrimination category. It does not make a single meaningfully identifiable group in any other sense. (It's not even consistently the same trait, on a biological level) You are talking about so…

Black and white are not races?

Here’s an excerpt from BLM

> Additionally, Black Americans are among the top two racial groups who are most at risk of fatal encounters with police

https://blacklivesmatter.com/blm-day/

Stop trying to make normal people use academic definitions.

Re: Why skilled workers come to Germany and then leave again

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Post by simianwords »

dofm wrote: post #89
happytoexplain wrote: post #86

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There's no need to torture semantics. We all understand how the terms "black" and "white" are used in the English-speaking world. They are umbrella terms with varying usage depending on what superset/subset of people you are talking about in the moment. E.g. in the US, "black" usually refers to dark-skinned people of African descent (I assume you know this), but other dark-skinned people might be included depending o…

Biological race does not, indeed, exist. Really at all. Defining it as a many-dimensional spectrum just so you can to continue to use the word "race", now that is torturing semantics. The semantics I am referring to are the suggestion that "white" and "black" exist as races on a genetic level. The example I am introducing is to test the understanding behind that suggestion.

> Biological race does not, indeed, exist. Really at all

Self identified race/ethnicity correlates highly with ancestry. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1196372/

It is therefore correct to suggest that race does have a biological basis.

Re: Why skilled workers come to Germany and then leave again

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Post by uludag »

sdsdssweew213 wrote: post #17
Alien1Being wrote: post #2

German discrimination and racism towards migrant workers and visible minorities is world class. And with Alternative für Deutschland / AfD rising rapidly, this is only going to get much, much worse. https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/70478/study-finds-racis... https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/latest-news/germany-...

I would hardly call it "world class". Most of the world is much harsher place to migrants than any EU member country. Privileged, well paid expats may be treated nicely in most of the world, but that does not apply to refugees and people who move for low-paid manual labor.

Well paid expats wearing a hijab, who definitely aren't refugees, will not be treated nicely in Germany. Lived and worked in Germany and saw it a lot. It's a low bar indeed to treat skilled labor coming to your country nicely that sadly Germany can't even pass.

Re: Why skilled workers come to Germany and then leave again

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Post by simianwords »

dofm wrote: post #83
dinkblam wrote: post #19

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Colors are a a continuous spectrum, yet we put them in a bunch of categories.

Organising people by the colour of their skin makes exactly as much ontological sense as organising library books by the colour of their cover.

Can you see the fallacy you are doing here? The parent tried to suggest this: simply because a thing can be in a spectrum doesn't make it unworthy of being a category. You've twisted that analogy into this nonsensical book example.

Re: Why skilled workers come to Germany and then leave again

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Post by simianwords »

olelele wrote: post #33
simianwords wrote: post #18

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> I think what its trying to say is race as a defined biological categorisation Proof? What do you think the people were asked in the survey? Normal people use race in the normal way. I think white people exist. I think black people exist. Everyone knows this - I don't need any academic to prove me wrong. And I don't think it makes me racist when some one asks me "are there different human races" and I answer "yes".

skin color does not equal race. The US is really weird to me in that regard.

I didn't say it did? Skin colour correlates highly with race. Skin colour is a good predictor of one's self identified race.

Re: Why skilled workers come to Germany and then leave again

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Post by simianwords »

dbspin wrote: post #87
simianwords wrote: post #72

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> Physiognomic appearance does not equate with genetically discrete populations The idea that race affects EXACTLY things that appear on the surface and nothing else is laughable. You need mountains of layers of cognitive dissonance to believe this. For example: different races are susceptible to different diseases. Instead of hitting tackling racism properly, you are putting fingers in your ears and shouting that ra…

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The fact that you can have categories that span bigger spectrums doesn't preclude the category from existing. You can have dark and light colours. But you can also have dark blue light blue and so on. That doesn't mean colour doesn't exist.

Re: Why skilled workers come to Germany and then leave again

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Post by red-iron-pine »

schnitzelstoat wrote: post #5

I lived there for around 6 months like 15 years ago so perhaps it's changed a lot since then. But even as an Englishman, it was very different to home. I remember the supermarket was shut all Sunday and was only open until 12 on the Saturday, and it shut early in the week too (at like 5pm or 6pm or something?) so by the time I'd got the train back home from work it was already closed. I had to get up early every Satu…

to quote a relative "Germany is a great country to live in, except for all of the Germans"

Re: Why skilled workers come to Germany and then leave again

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Post by dofm »

simianwords wrote: post #105
dofm wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Organising people by the colour of their skin makes exactly as much ontological sense as organising library books by the colour of their cover.

Can you see the fallacy you are doing here? The parent tried to suggest this: simply because a thing can be in a spectrum doesn't make it unworthy of being a category. You've twisted that analogy into this nonsensical book example.

It’s not a fallacy, it’s a bitter, dark joke.
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