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Yes, AI Will Take Your Job

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Re: Yes, AI Will Take Your Job

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The article is a piece of revolutionary rant. > Capitalism is unnatural, and selects for unnatural things. Wrong. Even plants have a conspicuous signaling economy to get their way to selection.

Signalling = markets.

Capitalism is allowing the winners of the markets to make the rules that everyone has to abide by, sidestepping "democracy" with anti-democratic "lobbyism" and creating a power hierarchy based on networth. The markets that allowed this are usually "free'ish" at best.

Re: Yes, AI Will Take Your Job

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And die in large numbers, yes.

Or not riot and die in large numbers a bit more slowly.

Personally I'm thinking the solution will be establishing parallel forms of mutual aid and organization with the goal of making the State and capitalism obsolete and moot. Why would I buy food when my neighbors and I grow and share more than enough? A stretch goal but I don't see any other path. At least trying to reach it makes for lots of fun projects like gardening, homelabbing, setting up federated software, etc.

Further reading: Walkaway by Cory Doctorow, The Conquest of Bread by Peter Kropotkin, The Anarchist Cookbook by Keith McHenry (and look into Food not Bombs, Food not Lawns etc while you're at it), and various solarpunk copium like "A Half-Built Garden" by Ruthanna Emrys.

Re: Yes, AI Will Take Your Job

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>No, liberal capitalist societies will not reduce work hours, increase safety nets, do UBI, or competently handle massive unemployment. You may want to look at the Netherlands, the Nordic countries, and Canada.

Well, that's what I meant by my European coworker - perhaps his country has found a socialist balancing point that maintains a level of capitalism that somehow doesn't tip into power cascades concentrating power around Capital. IMO that wouldn't be a liberal capitalist society though, that would be a socialist-capitalist society, which perhaps the Netherlands and Nordic countries are, I'm not too familiar. With the level of privatization striking Canada, I think it'll end up like the USA.

If we're gonna take a look at places, where I'm really interested in watching is the PRC, Cuba, and Vietnam. Capitalism managed to beat the Soviet Union, will it to any other remainders from the era, or will the conversion to state capitalism create a strange equilibrium? In any case it's not like the PRC is doing much better in terms of worker's rights, you still have to justify your existence through labor there more than you do in the aforementioned Nordic countries.

Re: Yes, AI Will Take Your Job

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or not riot and die in large numbers a bit more slowly.

Personally I'm thinking the solution will be establishing parallel forms of mutual aid and organization with the goal of making the State and capitalism obsolete and moot. Why would I buy food when my neighbors and I grow and share more than enough? A stretch goal but I don't see any other path. At least trying to reach it makes for lots of fun projects like gardening, homelabbing, setting up federated software, etc.…

I think the solution will be riots.

Re: Yes, AI Will Take Your Job

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or not riot and die in large numbers a bit more slowly.

Personally I'm thinking the solution will be establishing parallel forms of mutual aid and organization with the goal of making the State and capitalism obsolete and moot. Why would I buy food when my neighbors and I grow and share more than enough? A stretch goal but I don't see any other path. At least trying to reach it makes for lots of fun projects like gardening, homelabbing, setting up federated software, etc.…

> making the State and capitalism obsolete and moot

The State and capitalism will not let that happen without a fight

Re: Yes, AI Will Take Your Job

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i'm so tired of those HN blog articles where the title is always someone over confidently claiming something they have no expertise over (sorry, being a software engineer and founder doesn't make you a job market expert nor a historian, and doesn't make your opinion relevant). I wish there were options on HN to filter out "my opinion is a fact and you're all wrong" articles

> a job market expert nor a historian

I would not expect a job market "expert" or a historian to be able to predict future world where cumulative machine intelligence is higher than cumulative human intelligence. Why would you?

Re: Yes, AI Will Take Your Job

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I think this article takes some assumptions for granted: 1. AI will get better, and at a price point that makes sense for businesses to operate on. 2. "Managers" (non-technical users) will be as good at using AI as "frontend engineers" (technical users) or make something of comparable quality. 3. All or most technical problems can be solved by AI. I think the title and take for this type of doom thinking is not reall…

My takeaway was that the purpose of AI is not to do “your job” as well as you but to do the things you refuse to do in your job as a person with taste and ethics.

Re: Yes, AI Will Take Your Job

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Yes, the horse will take your job. Yes, the written word will take your job. Yes, fire job take. Yes, the automobile will take your and the horse’s job. Yes, we’re all doomed. Might as well go back up the trees and start hollering.

Automation in the past was just about changing what was in the human's hands. Technology improved, people got faster, but there was still a balance. The people who owned the machines and the factories couldn't and didn't want to operate them, and had to employ others.

Now they're threatening us with total automation. In their dreams, we're not the people riding horses who now get to drive shiny new cars. We are the horse. If that dream is possible with the current technology, they will stop at nothing to achieve it.

Re: Yes, AI Will Take Your Job

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Lots of points on AI is just a "tool" and that's where I think misconception and misunderstanding will be most devastating for some.

- Yes, engines did replace horses, it was utility revolution

- Yes, computers replacing pen, paper and calculators

- Yes, internet has revolutionized access, borderless business, communication and digital transformation

All the inventions have been about tool replacing another tool, but AI trajectory does not really fit those models.

Maybe AI utilization today is giving the impression of tool and productivity revolution but it's the only entity challenging the actual human organ. It's brain replacing brain and that's the unprecedented and unfamiliar territory.

Eventually this new brain will get its own limbs too!

Re: Yes, AI Will Take Your Job

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I think this article takes some assumptions for granted: 1. AI will get better, and at a price point that makes sense for businesses to operate on. 2. "Managers" (non-technical users) will be as good at using AI as "frontend engineers" (technical users) or make something of comparable quality. 3. All or most technical problems can be solved by AI. I think the title and take for this type of doom thinking is not reall…

1. Well substantiated up to this point 2. Unknown 3. This is a serious metaphysical, question not something to punt on. Is there anything fundamental to humanity that makes us required for innovation, or is the only important thing our taste/selection criteria over which innovations we want? If it's the latter, you truly don't need a labor force the way we have one today to do what we're doing today.

"Path that needs a lot of things to go wrong" -- wrong for whom? For the people with money and power, the people who determine what jobs exist and what those jobs are doing, this would be a dramatic version of things going right (as long as they're able to capitalize on it). Human labor is an expense for business owners, not a virtue.

Not speaking to you in particular, but I'm shocked at how so many otherwise brilliant people are rendered practically neo-luddites by AI. The cotton gin was disruptive, but once it was invented there was no putting the genie back in the bottle. The same is true of agentic AI. The question isn't whether or not it will upset the status quo of human labor, it's how much and in what way.

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