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Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

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Post by nicce »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #92

A lot of these US vendors have data centers in the EU operating under EU law via legal entities in the EU. So, it's not all that black and white. And there are a growing amount of EU based alternatives. And just to make a counter point, there are also US dependencies on the EU for some things as well. Mobile infrastructure is a good example; mostly comes from Nokia and Ericsson. What was left of US based network equi…

> A lot of these US vendors have data centers in the EU operating under EU law via legal entities in the EU.

Didn’t even Microsoft say that they can’t guarantee that they can follow these laws? Because the US laws take over. So, legal entities are just some smoke screen. They don’t help if the US government wants access to something.

Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

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Post by kriro »

My anecdotal evidence from France and Germany is that there is very much a trend to look for non-U.S. alternatives which is somewhat recent. It is related to the current government, not really politically motivated but more of a "no guarantees/cannot rely on this partner anymore" thinking coupled with a bit of "WTF annex Denmark, really". Many companies have task forces or projects to investigate moving tech stacks and in the past this was not even an agenda topic (despite strategic advantages and potential cost savings).

Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

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Post by InTheArena »

650REDHAIR wrote: post #114
tonyhart7 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what Europe option anyway ???? other than US another power that can fill up the space is China or are european saying china is better than US ????

I don’t remember the last time China threatened to invade Denmark? I do remember the last time the USA did. It was hours ago at a NATO summit.

s/China/Taiwan?

or Tibet?

You are comparing sensational trolls with actual geopolitical history.

Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

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Post by stasomatic »

Looking at serving is very skin deep. The cloud is easy. What about the stack? MySQL hailed from Sweden, now owned by Oracle. The Linux Foundations is in the states. Nginx - F5 (US). There are many Europeans working on site or remotely for US tech.

Can/should Europe reinvent all this from scratch or can we just apologize, kiss and hug and move on? I am an American, and I don't like what I am seeing the last few years, but further balkanization doesn't seem to be a sound strategy.

Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

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Post by InTheArena »

koe123 wrote: post #106
throwaway894345 wrote: post #100

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> IMHO this mutual interdependence is actually a good thing. It stimulates maintaining peaceful relations and engaging in trade. We could use a little more of that. Isolationism didn't lead to anything good last century either. I think interdependence is a good thing, but I think the EU is _reliant_ on the US militarily and economically and that's ... not great particularly when the US leadership is openly hostile to…

As it pertains to military, just wait a few years I think.

The last three times that Europe had a large independent military force(s), things didn't end so well for the world.

International commerce and business and shared democratic norms are a fscking good things. We have lost the people who learned that the hard way, and they are being replaced with people who have never read a history book.

Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

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Post by khurs »

embedding-shape wrote: post #117
khurs wrote: post #102

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Seems you need to use multiple providers and route payments depending on card type if you want lowest rates. For example, mollie is 2.5% for Amex but Stripe is 1.5% for Amex but or others it swings other way. > Mollie for UK - 1.2% + 20p for standard cards - 2.90% + £0.20 for corporate and European - 2.50% + £0.20 for Amex - 3.25% + £0.20 for international > Stripe for UK - 1.5% + £0.20 for standards cards inc Amex -…

Almost only Americans use Amex though, unless you exclusively target the US market, you can skip it and basically not miss out on a single customer.

In UK Amex are relatively big.

They do cards with airlines where the customer can earn free flights and other such reward schemes to attract customers.

Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

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Post by [deleted] »

stasomatic wrote: post #124

Looking at serving is very skin deep. The cloud is easy. What about the stack? MySQL hailed from Sweden, now owned by Oracle. The Linux Foundations is in the states. Nginx - F5 (US). There are many Europeans working on site or remotely for US tech. Can/should Europe reinvent all this from scratch or can we just apologize, kiss and hug and move on? I am an American, and I don't like what I am seeing the last few years…

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Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

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Post by lyu07282 »

tonyhart7 wrote: post #107
throwaway894345 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> IMHO this mutual interdependence is actually a good thing. It stimulates maintaining peaceful relations and engaging in trade. We could use a little more of that. Isolationism didn't lead to anything good last century either. I think interdependence is a good thing, but I think the EU is _reliant_ on the US militarily and economically and that's ... not great particularly when the US leadership is openly hostile to…

what Europe option anyway ???? other than US another power that can fill up the space is China or are european saying china is better than US ????

China is very successfully developing and competing with the US, so it is self evident that Europe should continue to do the exact opposite of everything that China is doing.

Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

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Post by Bender »

itsamario wrote: post #119
Bender wrote: post #104

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Adding for somewhat completeness sake those are 13 anycast IP addresses with upwards of 2000 servers responding to them. The US has about 500 to 700 of those servers. The EU about 600 servers and the rest of the world 600 to 900 but I do not have exact numbers. One of the root DNS server admins would have to chime in for more accurate numbers. I am fairly certain that the EU servers belong to companies in the EU not…

The anycast is for the /24 those IP addresses share (first.three.octects.0/24) But if you look those /24 are Arin. Dig +trace shows the recursive lookup (forwarders) used for your NS. They almost always end up Arin and arpa. I've troubleshot some connection issues between different data centers and transit providers and found root hint oddities I just escalate to my supervisor

That part makes sense to me. If one has ever tried to announce an ARIN IP in the EU or a RIPE IP in the US they will send warnings that the allocations will be pulled back if that is not fixed. Been there, done that. The root servers were created in the US. To have RIPE IP addresses I would imagine would require ARIN to set up some partnership but there again that gets into management and politics in their organization that I am unaware of. Every time I start to read any of their minutes they lose me after the first paragraph.

If the concern is that the US would somehow break the root servers and disrupt many trillions of dollars of trade I guess that is technically possible but probably unlikely given the amount of trade, tariffs, tax revenue that would impact would end anyone's political career and things would be reverted quickly in my opinion.

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