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Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

#101
Why does that matter? If US vendors decides to kill the service for EU customer, they can move a webserver on a different VPS within hours. Same for git. Sure you can kill GitHub, but the git repository can be moved somewhere else within minutes.

However in both cases US vendors will suffer catastrophic trust loss for rest of the world. It would be a lose-lose situation.

Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

#102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get your point, and even in Italy we have Banca Sella (first one that comes to mind) which is a great way to collect payments with a local processor. But it's not Stripe... Stripe is not just an integration for Link or Card payments, and payment fees are actually not that bad. Developer experience matters most to me. Plus, I agree there are alternatives to a basic Stripe implementation, but what about Stripe Connec…

Right, because you're looking for a Stripe alternative, none of them will be. Did you actually try searching what I told you you could use as a search term? Have you looked into Mollie, Adyen, Klarna, Mangopay, Quickpay, etc? The list is quite large, there are options available but again, it requires you to proactively review and compare them, not just throw your hands in the air proclaiming "It's not Stripe".

Seems you need to use multiple providers and route payments depending on card type if you want lowest rates. For example, mollie is 2.5% for Amex but Stripe is 1.5% for Amex but or others it swings other way.

> Mollie for UK

- 1.2% + 20p for standard cards

- 2.90% + £0.20 for corporate and European

- 2.50% + £0.20 for Amex

- 3.25% + £0.20 for international

> Stripe for UK

- 1.5% + £0.20 for standards cards inc Amex

- 1.9% + £0.20 for corporate uk cards

- 2.5% + £0.20 for international within Europe

- 3.25% + £0.20 for International + 2% if fx conversion

[0]https://www.mollie.com/gb/pricing#psp-block

[1]https://stripe.com/gb/pricing. (scroll down for list)

Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

#103

I did a similar study but analyzing actual API subdomains, and ignoring those fronted by Cloudflare, Akamai, etc and the conclusion was the opposite: European companied are more likely to be using OVH and Hetzner than AWS/Azure https://bloomberry.com/blog/we-analyzed-50k-apis-heres-which...

I had a glimpse at your posting.

What exactly were you looking for? APIs?

Here is a hint: quite many companies need a certificated provider who not only is certified but also has - 99,999% overlook this fact because of ignorance - enough insurance and can theoretically be held responsible financially for services being not reachable.

EU regulation requires such settings.

While I highly value Hetzner and Strato, they don't want to deal with such companies, which is reasonable.

Also what you see is just the visible part, not the internal APIs or due to failure safety different APIs serving in a failover scenario.

Internal networks are huge. And masked or hidden behind quite some intrusion detection as well as layers of protection exactly for this reason.

In other words: you did an interesting posting however it is meaningless without knowing why these what you called churn occurs.

Usually you don't simply migrate from one cloud to another.

Accenture for example had a partnership with Amazon, and use their services. So maybe during the development phase or whatever there appears to be a spike.

In other words: it was a planend. Times series need to be observed for many years.

But nevertheless a nice posting.

It is just that sometimes "facts" from the outside lead to speculations, an insider can only chuckle about.

Before I joined a huge global bank, I thought any startup would eat them alive, think N24. Remember N24? No? Well...

I was part of the senior management, dbCORE as a hint.

Maybe repeat the study, make it run over years, or even better: observe something you know for a fact and see how things change, not the other way around. You would have needed to conduct interviews etc.

By design there is a paradigm called security through obscurity. That's why torture for example seldomly helpful. Is the poor soul lying or not? You need to verify first, in any case.

Outside observation is just that: Platon's allegory of the cave. Useful or not, you never know. That's why I laughed a bit about your disclaimer ("Limitations").

Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

#104

As an Italian solo-founder, I have to admit that the US vendor dependency is really strong, but when you look at what you need to build a serious product, what can you actually use from European vendors that is even close to US products? Take Stripe as an example: is there a real alternative that covers what they do? Not to talk about Cloud and Edge Computing vendors: GCP, AWS, Cloudflare... does anyone even get clos…

Most of the 13 root dns servers are American. They're distributed geographically but still owned by American entities

Adding for somewhat completeness sake those are 13 anycast IP addresses with upwards of 2000 servers responding to them. The US has about 500 to 700 of those servers. The EU about 600 servers and the rest of the world 600 to 900 but I do not have exact numbers. One of the root DNS server admins would have to chime in for more accurate numbers. I am fairly certain that the EU servers belong to companies in the EU not that it entirely relates to the overall management hierarchy but I don't know their management structure.

Africa and the middle east have the least, something like ~100 or so.

Some DNS servers can cache their zone information [1].

[1] - https://www.internic.net/domain/root.zone

Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

#105
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you know of any EU payment processor that supports recurring payments like a SaaS would need (subscriptions, subscription state tracking, automatic retries of failed payments)? I looked but couldn't find any. Adyen does not do this on its own AFAICT, only with 3rd party addons that implement recurring payments on top of it. Mollie claims it does this but is woefully incomplete (no failed payment retries for exampl…

Fake news? > Mollie will retry the failed payment up to 5 times. https://docs.mollie.com/docs/recurring-payments

I keep being told Stripe supports 3D Secure (or whatever the marketing name for it is this week) too :)

They may but it's not out there in the wild.

Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

#106

A lot of these US vendors have data centers in the EU operating under EU law via legal entities in the EU. So, it's not all that black and white. And there are a growing amount of EU based alternatives. And just to make a counter point, there are also US dependencies on the EU for some things as well. Mobile infrastructure is a good example; mostly comes from Nokia and Ericsson. What was left of US based network equi…

> IMHO this mutual interdependence is actually a good thing. It stimulates maintaining peaceful relations and engaging in trade. We could use a little more of that. Isolationism didn't lead to anything good last century either. I think interdependence is a good thing, but I think the EU is _reliant_ on the US militarily and economically and that's ... not great particularly when the US leadership is openly hostile to…

As it pertains to military, just wait a few years I think.

Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

#107

A lot of these US vendors have data centers in the EU operating under EU law via legal entities in the EU. So, it's not all that black and white. And there are a growing amount of EU based alternatives. And just to make a counter point, there are also US dependencies on the EU for some things as well. Mobile infrastructure is a good example; mostly comes from Nokia and Ericsson. What was left of US based network equi…

> IMHO this mutual interdependence is actually a good thing. It stimulates maintaining peaceful relations and engaging in trade. We could use a little more of that. Isolationism didn't lead to anything good last century either. I think interdependence is a good thing, but I think the EU is _reliant_ on the US militarily and economically and that's ... not great particularly when the US leadership is openly hostile to…

what Europe option anyway ???? other than US another power that can fill up the space is China

or are european saying china is better than US ????

Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

#108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would i want an inferior option just because it's made in the EU? I'm not an EU nationalist, i don't care if "EU Tech Companies" are a thing. If anything "EU Tech Sovereignty" is a net negative for me.

Well, where do you live? I live in an EU country and care deeply for the right to erasure and our consumer rights. The EU legislature does some good things on that front. I "care" for EU tech companies as much as I can care for any company currently. I think technological sovereignty is and will be important moving forward, for our economic resilience, infrastructure stability, among other things. BTW "EU nationalist…

Assuming that most Europeans would be loyal to the EU is like assuming that most US Americans are loyal to Donald Trump (or Biden). But in reality a big enough proportion of Europeans see the EU as a hostile foreign influencing force.

Or, to put it another way, do you think any Americans use Microsoft or Apple products out of patriotism or fear of being dependent on technology from other nations?

Re: Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

#109
post #53

As an Italian solo-founder, I have to admit that the US vendor dependency is really strong, but when you look at what you need to build a serious product, what can you actually use from European vendors that is even close to US products? Take Stripe as an example: is there a real alternative that covers what they do? Not to talk about Cloud and Edge Computing vendors: GCP, AWS, Cloudflare... does anyone even get clos…

There isn't going to be "EU tech" as long as US can access the EU market as freely because for the mainstream anything it doesn't make sense to have a duplication effort for the EU. USA is/was easier to start business and get funding, you can access Europe just as well from there so why bother with the European based stuff if you are targeting a broad market? After Trump now there is a reason to actually go for Europ…

EU population: 450 million + 70m UK

USA population: 348 million

The problem is that many of europe's top talent moves to USA, and also that American funding for European startups is huge, and many are made to relocate/IPO in USA too.

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