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Re: Resetting Xbox

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Post by dannyw »

zapzupnz wrote: post #649
axus wrote: post #479

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I felt like the Kinect was pushing forward, and not chasing the Wii. Never owned one, but the tech sounded cool

It was 100% chasing the Wii. It didn't chase all that hard, either.

I might be looking at the Kinect with rose-tinted glasses, but bringing depth and camera-based pose tracking to the masses in 2010 is pretty impressive.

Sure they were chasing the Wii, but they did try to innovate on the hardware and capability front, and back then VR was nascent, but investing in this area for gaming made sense then (it was very easy to imagine VR games being the 'next big thing').

Unlike Nintendo, Microsoft couldn't really figure out good and fun gameplay for Kinect. Basically only dancing games took advantage of it well IMO?

Re: Resetting Xbox

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Post by dannyw »

djhworld wrote: post #367
hbn wrote: post #16

It was pretty rich seeing armchair video game industry analysts act like the new CEO was gonna usher in a new age for Microsoft's gaming division because she got to announce the updated logo and some games that would have obviously been in development long before she became CEO. Microsoft is never going to figure out gaming. It's more art than engineering and they can barely manage the engineering with all the interv…

> Microsoft is never going to figure out gaming. I feel they kind of did in the Xbox 360 era. Maybe it was just down to luck because Sony dropped the ball in the early years of the PS3 and Microsoft got the jump on them a bit. The 360 was amazing looking back on it, Xbox Live, trying out innovative ideas like 1vs100, attracting lots of publishers to the platform for games, Xbox Summer of Arcade. I was a big OG Xbox f…

Xbox Live Arcade, and the accessibility it bought for smaller studios and indie developers was massive.

You could say it's just a response to Steam and the PC gaming indie scene, sure, but the 360 era is definitely one where Microsoft hit all their strides. Then they ruined it with the Xbox One.

Re: Resetting Xbox

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Post by [deleted] »

IshKebab wrote: post #583
groundzeros2015 wrote: post #582

I don’t know if it’s due to the subject matter but it seems there is a lot of confusion and low quality comments. Here are some reminders: - businesses like Xbox try to make as much money as possible - investments are judged on risk adjusted return. Net returns with high risk is failure. - the risk free asset pays about 3%. So taking any risk better get you 6-10% - you can lose your job at anytime for any reason. Any…

> you can lose your job at any time for any reason. Depends on where you are.

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Re: Resetting Xbox

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Post by schnitzelstoat »

Narishma wrote: post #540
WarmWash wrote: post #230

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If there are next gen consoles, they will likely be over $1k with current memory prices.

At those prices consoles would no longer make sense. I don't think there would be enough people who could afford them to have a good enough install base for AAA games. And non-AAA games don't need any more hardware than what we already had last gen.

They are talking about purchase plans like Klarna etc. and like people have for their iPhone. Because it's going to cost as much as an iPhone.

Re: Resetting Xbox

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Post by dannyw »

Gigachad wrote: post #793
hbn wrote: post #67

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Slight correction. Last generation was the Xbox One (already a confusing name because some people thought that was referring to the original first Xbox) A few years into the generation they updated the Xbox One, putting it into a smaller form factor called the Xbox One S, and at the same time released a spec bump model called the Xbox One X. I don't believe any of these are still available for purchase. The new gener…

You could hardly come up with a worse naming scheme if you tried.

AMD's Ryzen AI MAX+ 395 would like to have a word with you.

Re: Resetting Xbox

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Post by dannyw »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #698
danpalmer wrote: post #444

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> It's more art than engineering I'd say games can be either art or hype. Call of Duty is not art, really, it's hype. In the same way that no one thinks Marvel films are moving film forward, but they are hugely popular. GTA is somewhere in the middle, being mostly hype driven, but based on solid "art" in good gameplay. Indie games tend to be art over hype. Microsoft can't do the art because it's too big, too safe, an…

It can be art even if you don't consider it artistic. CoD is an example of military art. Marvel is American blockbuster art translating American comic book art to the screen. They are their own kind of artistic expression and achievement, even if you personally don't consider them art.

Mass culture isn't the same thing as art.

Re: Resetting Xbox

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Post by Gigachad »

dsign wrote: post #624
nkrisc wrote: post #214

Reading this made me remember why I stopped playing my Xbox One: never-ending updates. I never played it very frequently so I disabled the sleep mode so it wouldn’t just stay on in my media cabinet heating my house. But of course that meant any time I spontaneously felt like using it there were 10 minutes of updates to download, so I would get annoyed and just do something else. Oh it can also play movies? Sorry movi…

What are the updates for, I wonder? Video games, like all forms of art, are about stirring emotions. I don't own, nor have never owned an Xbox. But when I think of the device the first thing that comes to mind is "Microsoft" and "Windows". So I consider all the little beancounters and MBAs at Microsoft who are always optimizing for profit and that have made Windows nightmarish, and I imagine them with access to an "e…

These days it’s probably all CI automated. So your Xbox updating probably means dependabot bumped some package automatically and it got built and deployed despite zero end user impact.

Re: Resetting Xbox

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Post by groundzeros2015 »

IshKebab wrote: post #583
groundzeros2015 wrote: post #582

I don’t know if it’s due to the subject matter but it seems there is a lot of confusion and low quality comments. Here are some reminders: - businesses like Xbox try to make as much money as possible - investments are judged on risk adjusted return. Net returns with high risk is failure. - the risk free asset pays about 3%. So taking any risk better get you 6-10% - you can lose your job at anytime for any reason. Any…

> you can lose your job at any time for any reason. Depends on where you are.

I see no difference in this story between where studios are and the challenges facing their employees.

It’s the basic fact that you are in an organization which may change direction. And you do not control that organization.

Re: Resetting Xbox

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Post by dannyw »

andrekandre wrote: post #427
jasondigitized wrote: post #377

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More capable than current gen consoles is going to be local AI. Calling it now. It won't be as much about graphics as it is about selling some notion of human like NPCs and smarter enemies and some other use case they can sell to the masses.

> human like NPCs and smarter enemies and some other use case they can sell to the masses. npc ai has been capable of being much more realistic for a long time, and smarter enemies as well; if enemies in a game are too smart it stops being fun which is to say enemy ai being too stupid or not realistic enough is a non-problem and current-gen hardware is in no way a blocker to such aims anyway

~Turing-test-passing NPC AI already exists in lots of multiplayer games to hide queue lengths or dwindling player counts.

Re: Resetting Xbox

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Post by KyleTheDev »

lelanthran wrote: post #695
Orygin wrote: post #691

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Oh yeah I forgot 5 BILLION dollar in revenue is a signal that the market does not want your product

> Oh yeah I forgot 5 BILLION dollar in revenue is a signal that the market does not want your product Doesn't matter how big the revenue is if the market is not interested at the price you are selling. I mean, by your logic, if I sell a dollar for 64c, and do $5b revenue, that's an indication that the market does indeed want the product, but not an indication that the market wants the product at the price you need to…

Why is it that every person who tries to make these dumb arguments in favor of destructive capitalistic greed always attempts to make it look like the multi-billion dollar profitable business is somehow self-sacrificing or a force of good? "If I sell a dollar for 64 cents!", yea, as if that's even close to what's happening.
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