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Re: Python 3.14 compiled to metal – no interpreter

#101

Lol, all the people squawking about how this means nothing and this is a worthless project amuses me. A lot of people just don't see it yet. This is coming for literally everything and it is so exciting. The next decade is going to be awesome.

What's so exciting about your software being made of code nobody can or wants to understand?

Can you not see how amazing this is?

Re: Python 3.14 compiled to metal – no interpreter

#102

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Someone pays for the AI? That's the new human maintainer.

Who will pay if someone, somewhere is not passionate about it?

You can spin up a model locally and pay yourself. Who will maintain the project if the passionate sole maintainer burns out?

Re: Python 3.14 compiled to metal – no interpreter

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> when it's vibed it works, until it doesn't and then it's really hard to make it work again Is it? People have solved AI bugs with AI. If some vibe project eventually hits some bug and stops working, what exactly stops using AI to fix it? Is the idea that bugs will go beyond the limits of AI capability? If you meant to say that when an AI vibe coded project beyond some complexity it's difficult for a human coder to…

AI will simply code you into an architectural corner where you can’t get out of without a refactor.

to be fair that happens with code i write too…

Re: Python 3.14 compiled to metal – no interpreter

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of course it is vibed. it doesn't matter as long as it works.

> it doesn't matter as long as it works. I think the clankers would call this a "load bearing statement".

it reads like marketing copy…

Re: Python 3.14 compiled to metal – no interpreter

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> Even if it does cost thousands (does it? I genuinely have no idea how to scope such a thing) that might be a good price if a custom compiler to your custom target is something you really want. People have paid far more for far less. I wouldn't spend $100K in tokens to get a custom bare metal Python. Or even $10K. And I'd guess that most devs wouldn't either, unless they spend $10K like it's nothing. People that hav…

your first mistake is thinking this would cost that much. with DS4 this might cost far less than 1k imo

With DS4 it would have a lot more bugs, too.

Re: Python 3.14 compiled to metal – no interpreter

#106
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> when it's vibed it works, until it doesn't and then it's really hard to make it work again Is it? People have solved AI bugs with AI. If some vibe project eventually hits some bug and stops working, what exactly stops using AI to fix it? Is the idea that bugs will go beyond the limits of AI capability? If you meant to say that when an AI vibe coded project beyond some complexity it's difficult for a human coder to…

The problem is the _way_ AI will solve an AI bug. I've seen the loop countless times. There's a creeping complexity and brittleness that creeps in over time as more and more complexity is left purely to the LLM agent. It will become unsustainable without a human understanding and making course corrections at some point.

If you just keep throwing feature requests at an LLM, then yes, this happens. However it can self-correct if you specifically give it engineering debt / code cleanup as a task. And Fable in particular is very good at this exact thing.

Re: Python 3.14 compiled to metal – no interpreter

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That's the neat part, when it's vibed it works, until it doesn't and then it's really hard to make it work again.

> when it's vibed it works, until it doesn't and then it's really hard to make it work again Is it? People have solved AI bugs with AI. If some vibe project eventually hits some bug and stops working, what exactly stops using AI to fix it? Is the idea that bugs will go beyond the limits of AI capability? If you meant to say that when an AI vibe coded project beyond some complexity it's difficult for a human coder to…

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Re: Python 3.14 compiled to metal – no interpreter

#108
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How much time have you spent with Fable? We're in new territory here. It does not create messes.

>this time it’s different! Same thing people claim every time a new model is released, yet never seems to be true.

It was true every time though. The capacity of frontier models to tackle complicated issues has improved immensely. I still remember the first time I saw a model do a non-trivial issue end to end, and that was less than two years ago. Now they can genuinely do whole projects with human only as a supervisor / quality checker.

Do they still make mistakes? Sure. So do humans, though, so it would be unrealistic to expect perfection. The question is: does Fable make fewer mistakes than the median human coder? And at this point I'm genuinely not sure anymore.

Re: Python 3.14 compiled to metal – no interpreter

#109
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If humans can find (and have been finding for millennia) new proofs for well posted math problems, I see no reason why they shouldn’t be able to implement a more performant fully featured version of an existing interpreter.

They can, and they have been doing so. But humans are expensive. Especially smart humans.

Fable is also very expensive, unfortunately.

It will be interesting to see how cheap they can make it long term.

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