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A few problems with this Fable's project: 1. It's not Python by any means, it's a subset with its own runtime, its own quirks and nuances; 2. It will be impossible to maintain parity with CPython without AI assistance; 3. It will die the same way as dozens of similar (even non-AI projects) died before, and reasons will be the same: (1) and (2).
>1. It's not Python by any means, it's a subset with its own runtime, its own quirks and nuances; A subset of python is python. Half a tomato is still tomato >2. It will be impossible to maintain parity with CPython without AI assistance What does that even mean? If you would have said that it's impossible to update to python 3.15 of further, I'd get it.
A subset of a calculator is still a calculator, but that subset definitely can't do everything the full version can.
I hate to be that guy, but... one week old project, clear signs of vibing. I will be shocked if the remaining work listed (cpython test suite) proceeds in any reasonable timeline. This is a pretty hard problem to just solve in a week. EDIT: and man, these kind of comments LLM created comments are really starting to grind my gears as my job slowly turns into reviewing LLM PRs: > Known gaps at the language level are bu…
of course it is vibed. it doesn't matter as long as it works.
I think the clankers would call this a "load bearing statement".
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> when it's vibed it works, until it doesn't and then it's really hard to make it work again Is it? People have solved AI bugs with AI. If some vibe project eventually hits some bug and stops working, what exactly stops using AI to fix it? Is the idea that bugs will go beyond the limits of AI capability? If you meant to say that when an AI vibe coded project beyond some complexity it's difficult for a human coder to…
The problem is the _way_ AI will solve an AI bug. I've seen the loop countless times. There's a creeping complexity and brittleness that creeps in over time as more and more complexity is left purely to the LLM agent. It will become unsustainable without a human understanding and making course corrections at some point.
And it's quite easy to ask an AI to refactor a certain way too.
It might make more practical sense to start from CPython and try to optimize that further though. It even has a "not fully fleshed out" JIT already.
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> Where's the magic in this project? What's the secret sauce? Someone else paying for the tokens. Also someone seeing it through (should that come). Obviously we're not "at the moment when most of us can ask Fable to implement a custom compiler to a custom target for our favorite language, and even use it as a part of custom solution", without thousands to spare and lots of time to shape the solution.
Even if it does cost thousands (does it? I genuinely have no idea how to scope such a thing) that might be a good price if a custom compiler to your custom target is something you really want. People have paid far more for far less. If you're a hobbyist trying to compile python to your weird little arduino based thing, then that's a lot of money and you would want to use somebody else's solution, no doubt. But if you…
I wouldn't spend $100K in tokens to get a custom bare metal Python. Or even $10K.
And I'd guess that most devs wouldn't either, unless they spend $10K like it's nothing.
People that have "paid far more for far less" are people who have the money to buy $10K watches, or fancy multi $1000 clothes.
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That's the neat part, when it's vibed it works, until it doesn't and then it's really hard to make it work again.
> when it's vibed it works, until it doesn't and then it's really hard to make it work again Is it? People have solved AI bugs with AI. If some vibe project eventually hits some bug and stops working, what exactly stops using AI to fix it? Is the idea that bugs will go beyond the limits of AI capability? If you meant to say that when an AI vibe coded project beyond some complexity it's difficult for a human coder to…