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Python 3.14 compiled to metal – no interpreter

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Re: Python 3.14 compiled to metal – no interpreter

#11

Post by leobuskin »

A few problems with this Fable's project:

1. It's not Python by any means, it's a subset with its own runtime, its own quirks and nuances;

2. It will be impossible to maintain parity with CPython without AI assistance;

3. It will die the same way as dozens of similar (even non-AI projects) died before, and reasons will be the same: (1) and (2).

Re: Python 3.14 compiled to metal – no interpreter

#12

Post by subarctic »

leobuskin wrote: post #11

A few problems with this Fable's project: 1. It's not Python by any means, it's a subset with its own runtime, its own quirks and nuances; 2. It will be impossible to maintain parity with CPython without AI assistance; 3. It will die the same way as dozens of similar (even non-AI projects) died before, and reasons will be the same: (1) and (2).

"Without ai assistance" - ok, but what about with ai assistance?

Re: Python 3.14 compiled to metal – no interpreter

#14

Post by zahlman »

subarctic wrote: post #12
leobuskin wrote: post #11

A few problems with this Fable's project: 1. It's not Python by any means, it's a subset with its own runtime, its own quirks and nuances; 2. It will be impossible to maintain parity with CPython without AI assistance; 3. It will die the same way as dozens of similar (even non-AI projects) died before, and reasons will be the same: (1) and (2).

"Without ai assistance" - ok, but what about with ai assistance?

For a project like this, relying on AI assistance also makes it effectively dead in the water.

Re: Python 3.14 compiled to metal – no interpreter

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Post by leobuskin »

subarctic wrote: post #12
leobuskin wrote: post #11

A few problems with this Fable's project: 1. It's not Python by any means, it's a subset with its own runtime, its own quirks and nuances; 2. It will be impossible to maintain parity with CPython without AI assistance; 3. It will die the same way as dozens of similar (even non-AI projects) died before, and reasons will be the same: (1) and (2).

"Without ai assistance" - ok, but what about with ai assistance?

It's possible, but we're at the moment when most of us can ask Fable to implement a custom compiler to a custom target for our favorite language, and even use it as a part of custom solution. Why do I need someone else's implementation? Where's the magic in this project? What's the secret sauce?

Re: Python 3.14 compiled to metal – no interpreter

#16

Post by smithza »

cuzezzzbbfofai wrote: post #6

Can it run Numpy and Torch?

pickle files are usually the limiter here. I would be surprised if it can handle pickle files since it relies so much on runtime LUTs of the objects and arbitrary object definitions. This usually doesn't work in other use cases such as swig or cython either IIRC.

Re: Python 3.14 compiled to metal – no interpreter

#19

Post by andy99 »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #13

Can those AI slop projects have a reserved tag on HackerNews? So many in the past few weeks I wouldn't have clicked and wasted my time on if I knew it was just some vibe-coded garbage.

I see the same thing, and believe that ironically AI is going to bring about the return of good search engines as we’re currently drowning in slop and need a real way to filter it.

Re: Python 3.14 compiled to metal – no interpreter

#20

Post by throwaway27448 »

himata4113 wrote: post #9
ubercore wrote: post #2

I hate to be that guy, but... one week old project, clear signs of vibing. I will be shocked if the remaining work listed (cpython test suite) proceeds in any reasonable timeline. This is a pretty hard problem to just solve in a week. EDIT: and man, these kind of comments LLM created comments are really starting to grind my gears as my job slowly turns into reviewing LLM PRs: > Known gaps at the language level are bu…

This is written by fable with the guidance of a very experienced, highly skilled person. See their previous work.

Experience doesn't change the fundamental problem. I don't see this project going anywhere for general use beyond their needs.
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