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IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Post by Tyrannosaurs »

pjmlp wrote: post #67
arn wrote: post #12

What's weird is that this has been a running argument for almost the entire existence of Apple. Here's the thing though -- Apple hasn't changed. They are simply closer to their goals then ever. I'm not saying it's right. But computer as an appliance? That's the dream! In the 80s we would argue on Usenet that the WIMP interface was too simplistic, and that real computer users stuck to the command line only. Now, in 20…

The issue is that many Apple fanboys never experienced the original Apple, the one with proprietary connectors and Mac OS specific APIs for video, 2D, 3D, networking .... When Apple tried to cater to the open source community using the UNIX underpinnings of Mac OS X, young generations thought Apple was always more open than Microsoft, when actually they were the opposite. Now that they are back on top with more profi…

How is this an issue with Apple fanboys? They're not the one's complaining about Apple.

Surely it's an issue with the people who tend to be Open Source advocates, complaining that Apple are no longer open?

Not that it's really an issue at all, it's just different strokes for different folks. With computers doing as much as they do now it's seems highly unlikely that a single company will ever fulfil all our computing needs. Certainly having seen the Wintel domination of the 90s it really doesn't seem that desirable so really what's the problem?

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Post by ricw »

redial wrote: post #14

To all of those complaining about the new Apple devices, this is what you should do. You should vote with your wallet. I don't think that you are going to change Apple's mind, but this is the only way they'll listen. Personally, I think they are to far gone by now. The money pouring in has simply been to much to ignore. It's not the computer for the rest of us any more...It's the computer for the rest of them... (I a…

The problem is that we don't have a choice. There's only one premium option to go for. And it's apple. It's surprising how none of the others have at least created a luxury brand, similar to Toyota/Lexus or Volkswagen/Audi.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Post by coob »

pjmlp wrote: post #67
arn wrote: post #12

What's weird is that this has been a running argument for almost the entire existence of Apple. Here's the thing though -- Apple hasn't changed. They are simply closer to their goals then ever. I'm not saying it's right. But computer as an appliance? That's the dream! In the 80s we would argue on Usenet that the WIMP interface was too simplistic, and that real computer users stuck to the command line only. Now, in 20…

The issue is that many Apple fanboys never experienced the original Apple, the one with proprietary connectors and Mac OS specific APIs for video, 2D, 3D, networking .... When Apple tried to cater to the open source community using the UNIX underpinnings of Mac OS X, young generations thought Apple was always more open than Microsoft, when actually they were the opposite. Now that they are back on top with more profi…

> Mac OS specific APIs for video, 2D, 3D, networking ....

Which other platforms had/have non platform specific APIs for 2D and video?

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Post by Adaptive »

kitsune_ wrote: post #65
nostromo wrote: post #44

The ironic ending of the blog post is interesting. He's running Ubuntu... on a MacBook Pro. Even if you hate the software and all things iOS, it's hard to find a better designed laptop.

I disagree. I own a Lenovo Thinkpad x220. It's perfect (for me). Its keyboard is reason alone that it beats the MacBook Pro. On top of that, I bought it back in 2011 for around 960 USD (converted). The configuration included an i5-2520M, 8GB of RAM, 320GB HDD, an 80GB m-SATA SSD and an upgrade to a 3-year on-site warranty.

Same here. I'm typing this on a macbook pro that I'm currently sucking data off onto my x220 running Arch. Similar setup. That msata bay rocks with an SSD in it, eh?

FWIW, specs say 8gb max but I've got 16gb ticking away in it nicely. You're probably aware of that but worth posting here for others if they are interested. One of the best laptop keyboards I've used.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Post by microtonal »

amadeus wrote: post #47
cageface wrote: post #10

iCloud is a joke. Like eWorld. Like .Mac. Like MobileMe. You can’t do this stuff. This, I predict, is going to turn out to be Apple's achilles heel. They make great hardware and their software is good enough but they just don't get services. Google does services better than anybody and they're quickly closing the other gaps.

I don't know if you can justify statement like that from the proposed evidence. The App Store and iTunes Store are pretty damned successful services, whether you like them or not. iCloud is not a joke, it does it's job well for the 99%. I turn on my new phone, enter my apple id, and I have all my settings, apps, etc synced and ready to go.

iCloud is not a joke, it does it's job well for the 99%. I turn on my new phone, enter my apple id, and I have all my settings, apps, etc synced and ready to go.

You must not have used iTunes Match on a daily basis. Very often some songs do not play at all, no matter how often you retry. Every week or so I cannot connect to the 'iTunes Cloud' at all, reducing my music library to what I have downloaded. Match and iTunes in the cloud are terribly broken.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Post by coob »

ricw wrote: post #79
DigitalJack wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can tell you what is wrong with iCloud. It's supposed to be a sort of magical data sharing, but apparently it's only partially magical when it comes to OSX. Go ahead, make a keynote deck, or numbers spreadsheet. Save it to "the cloud," now go look at your ipad or iphone. Where the hell is it? So much for magic. Sharing is a royal pain in the ass with iOS. The gyrations I have to go through to move data from an ios…

Couldn't agree more. How about photos, something supposedly mainstream?! Have fun recreating all the events/albums/locations on each device. It's just a pain to deal with. Instead, I save my iPhoto library on Dropbox so that I can sync it between devices. Sub-optimal, to say the least. Apple services have always been underwhelming.

I have a feeling iCloud is just testing the waters with Photo Stream. Full on cloud hosting of photo libraries is a large undertaking requiring masses of storage. I expect it will come eventually.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Post by ekianjo »

tjogin wrote: post #63
ekianjo wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it is not so much "computer as an appliance" which is the issue but the fact that you can do less and less with your computing devices, or that they become, in the end, more convoluted to use because of the design choices made. Like, turning a desktop computer operating OS to a tablet-like OS is just plain stupid and is a loss of efficiency. Otherwise I agree with you, Apple has not changed a bit. Some people…

You can't do less with an iPad than with an Apple II, you can do a great deal more. And you can also do a great deal more with an iPad if your previous experience with computers was mostly confusing. It depends on how you define "you". Broadly, the term "you" means "people". It doesn't mean "every person under the sun, especially programmers". If we correct for misinterpretations, I would say people in general can do…

Let's compare apples to apples (pun not intended) but it is fairly obvious you cannot do AS much on a tablet as on a desktop computer. You cannot do graphic design as well, you cannot do 3d modeling, photo editing, you cannot type office documents in the most efficient way, you cannot compress movies at reasonable speeds, you cannot develop for it (although I know this is technically possible it is far from being accessible to anyone compared to Desktop experience).

It is not just about programmers. It's about people who want to do more than checking email, reading websites and running a few apps here and there for convenience. When parents want to edit HD videos of their kids taken with their camcorder they will not run to their iPad to do it, because it would be too damn sluggish for that. When you need to produce something or edit something and you do not want to do a dirty job you will sooner or later have to go back to sit in front of a laptop or desktop and use a mouse unless you like wasting your time, no matter what you computer knowledge is.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Post by macrael »

TallboyOne wrote: post #53
macrael wrote: post #39

Using the svtle theme while not being part of svtle comes off as really slimy. You are ripping off someone else's work and there are no two ways about it.

https://github.com/gravityonmars/wp-svbtle

Exactly? No one should use that theme.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Post by microtonal »

shimfish wrote: post #37

It's simply stunning to me to see how long it's taken the computer geeks to work this out. Apple stopped making toys for you over a decade ago and you are only just realising it now? I guess this is another consequence of the filter bubble. As all we read on the internet is the opinion of other geeks, we forget that geeks are hopelessly outnumbered by normals and they are the ones Apple is targeting and reaping the r…

There is also a contingent of UNIX users who use Mac OS X pragmatically. I have never had the illusion that Apple wasn't a consumer device company at heart. But Macs have been great UNIX workstations for the last decade or so. Once they make more serious attempts to turn their laptop line into 'iOS computers', I'll switch back to Linux or BSD. But for now, it is good hardware with a good UNIX operating system.
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