IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market • Hacker News Board

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Post by ekianjo » Thu, Dec 06, 2012, 7:47 AM UTC

arn wrote: post #12

What's weird is that this has been a running argument for almost the entire existence of Apple. Here's the thing though -- Apple hasn't changed. They are simply closer to their goals then ever. I'm not saying it's right. But computer as an appliance? That's the dream! In the 80s we would argue on Usenet that the WIMP interface was too simplistic, and that real computer users stuck to the command line only. Now, in 20…

I think it is not so much "computer as an appliance" which is the issue but the fact that you can do less and less with your computing devices, or that they become, in the end, more convoluted to use because of the design choices made. Like, turning a desktop computer operating OS to a tablet-like OS is just plain stupid and is a loss of efficiency.

Otherwise I agree with you, Apple has not changed a bit. Some people take longer to realize it, apparently.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Post by zephjc » Thu, Dec 06, 2012, 7:47 AM UTC

bbotond wrote: post #5

The title should say iRecognition. IRecognition looks like a C# interface.

It is on the site - for better or worse, HN auto-capitalizes submission titles

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Post by pi18n » Thu, Dec 06, 2012, 7:53 AM UTC

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #19

jtokoph wrote: post #11

As long as OS X still includes Terminal.app and lets me install other apps without using the App Store, I'm still hooked.

I've always said this too, but looking at things like Facebook, Twitter, iOS, the last thing I want is to keep sacrificing to walled gardens where I have to play by someone elses' rules. GateKeeper, to Mac developers, is playing by Apple's rules. I don't think it's a conspiracy to say that it will tilt the favor towards those who utilize the very closed (in multiple senses of the word) App Store over regular applicat…

Can devs sign apps with a self-signed root? If that's not possible, it's a closed garden already. And even if it is we can't be certain that they won't change it to App Store only in the future.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Post by nostromo » Thu, Dec 06, 2012, 7:55 AM UTC

The ironic ending of the blog post is interesting. He's running Ubuntu... on a MacBook Pro.

Even if you hate the software and all things iOS, it's hard to find a better designed laptop.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Post by logn » Thu, Dec 06, 2012, 7:56 AM UTC

I think the author is maybe reading too many Apple fanboy blogs. Apple still makes OS X and all the developer tools. Developing for iOS is far easier than Android.

Sure the Mac is becoming more of an appliance but with stagnant hardware speeds is it that big of a deal? Also, Apple has been hostile to DIY repairs and add-ons since forever. I remember being 12 years old arguing on the 1-800-APPL-SOS help line that 3rd party RAM was not causing my problem and no I wouldn't uninstall it to get help.

Apple relies on its developers to power the App Store. They (hopefully) won't forget that. I'm not worried.

You don't hear anyone ever talking about how awesome Apple Logic is for making music or how easy Final Cut Pro is for video. They still make them and they're great quality. Just because the masses of Apple reporters aren't focused on your baby doesn't mean Apple doesn't care about it. Apple is just selling their profit vision to investors.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Dec 06, 2012, 8:01 AM UTC

bbotond wrote: post #5

The title should say iRecognition. IRecognition looks like a C# interface.

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Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Post by amadeus » Thu, Dec 06, 2012, 8:04 AM UTC

cageface wrote: post #10

iCloud is a joke. Like eWorld. Like .Mac. Like MobileMe. You can’t do this stuff. This, I predict, is going to turn out to be Apple's achilles heel. They make great hardware and their software is good enough but they just don't get services. Google does services better than anybody and they're quickly closing the other gaps.

I don't know if you can justify statement like that from the proposed evidence.

The App Store and iTunes Store are pretty damned successful services, whether you like them or not.

iCloud is not a joke, it does it's job well for the 99%. I turn on my new phone, enter my apple id, and I have all my settings, apps, etc synced and ready to go.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Post by xiaomai » Thu, Dec 06, 2012, 8:06 AM UTC

nostromo wrote: post #44

The ironic ending of the blog post is interesting. He's running Ubuntu... on a MacBook Pro. Even if you hate the software and all things iOS, it's hard to find a better designed laptop.

> For the first time in as long as I can remember, I know my next laptop and phone will not have a Apple logo on it.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Post by wging » Thu, Dec 06, 2012, 8:06 AM UTC

nostromo wrote: post #44

The ironic ending of the blog post is interesting. He's running Ubuntu... on a MacBook Pro. Even if you hate the software and all things iOS, it's hard to find a better designed laptop.

A well-designed laptop which is heading toward zero upgradeablility.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Post by mcantelon » Thu, Dec 06, 2012, 8:12 AM UTC

nostromo wrote: post #44

The ironic ending of the blog post is interesting. He's running Ubuntu... on a MacBook Pro. Even if you hate the software and all things iOS, it's hard to find a better designed laptop.

It's the first time he's been happy with an OS rather than OS X, so it would make sense that he wouldn't swap out the hardware before making sure he can live without OS X (seeing as OS X is hard to run without Apple hardware).