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IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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The ironic ending of the blog post is interesting. He's running Ubuntu... on a MacBook Pro. Even if you hate the software and all things iOS, it's hard to find a better designed laptop.

"Apple, I am done with you! I shall throw out this $2000 laptop, and purchase a Thinkpad, because I cannot see any way to get any more use out of the hardware I have now!"

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

#52

The ironic ending of the blog post is interesting. He's running Ubuntu... on a MacBook Pro. Even if you hate the software and all things iOS, it's hard to find a better designed laptop.

I use a Macbook Pro for work and while the hardware may be pleasant to look at, it's a pain to use. The keyboard is set entirely too close to the screen, meaning I can't use it comfortably for very long without an external screen and/or keyboard, the nice 90 degree angles along the edges mean that if I can using it I quickly get marks in my wrists from it (and occasionally have hands start to go to sleep, a really bad sign), the touchpad is placed to where it's difficult to keep straight wrists/proper keyboard usage without touching the touchpad. But is sure does look pretty.

I had a Lenovo T60 for quite a while and, while it looked like a cheap piece of plastic, it was wonderfully durable, keyboard was placed in a good spot, the positioning of the buttons/touchpad were all just right. Just because it looks nice does not make something well-designed, and I have yet to use an Apple device that I would consider anywhere close to ergonomic friendly (the iPod nano being the closest as you only really used 2 "buttons" on the circle, pause/play and next).

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

#54

iCloud is a joke. Like eWorld. Like .Mac. Like MobileMe. You can’t do this stuff. This, I predict, is going to turn out to be Apple's achilles heel. They make great hardware and their software is good enough but they just don't get services. Google does services better than anybody and they're quickly closing the other gaps.

What is so wrong with iCloud? It does exactly what I want it to do - back up my phone and sync my data between devices.

Maybe people try to use it for more than this?

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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post #47

iCloud is a joke. Like eWorld. Like .Mac. Like MobileMe. You can’t do this stuff. This, I predict, is going to turn out to be Apple's achilles heel. They make great hardware and their software is good enough but they just don't get services. Google does services better than anybody and they're quickly closing the other gaps.

I don't know if you can justify statement like that from the proposed evidence. The App Store and iTunes Store are pretty damned successful services, whether you like them or not. iCloud is not a joke, it does it's job well for the 99%. I turn on my new phone, enter my apple id, and I have all my settings, apps, etc synced and ready to go.

That is true, but they all represent somehow the older version of connected software, as a pure extension of the device rather than a service on it's own. iCloud works great for a device as an invisible backup, but you can't use it to share files, co-operate, publish, share data between applications, etc. And I'd say the popular web services of today are so because they integrate across services and socialize the usage. Apple are still stuck 5-10 years behind.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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post #45

I think the author is maybe reading too many Apple fanboy blogs. Apple still makes OS X and all the developer tools. Developing for iOS is far easier than Android. Sure the Mac is becoming more of an appliance but with stagnant hardware speeds is it that big of a deal? Also, Apple has been hostile to DIY repairs and add-ons since forever. I remember being 12 years old arguing on the 1-800-APPL-SOS help line that 3rd…

Apple relies on its developers to power the App Store. They (hopefully) won't forget that.

Well, I'm sure they won't forget the 25 [1]. They may forget about everyone else though.

[1] http://techcrunch.com/2012/12/04/analyst-just-25-developers-...

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always said this too, but looking at things like Facebook, Twitter, iOS, the last thing I want is to keep sacrificing to walled gardens where I have to play by someone elses' rules. GateKeeper, to Mac developers, is playing by Apple's rules. I don't think it's a conspiracy to say that it will tilt the favor towards those who utilize the very closed (in multiple senses of the word) App Store over regular applicat…

Can devs sign apps with a self-signed root? If that's not possible, it's a closed garden already. And even if it is we can't be certain that they won't change it to App Store only in the future.

Users can disable the check.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

#59

It's simply stunning to me to see how long it's taken the computer geeks to work this out. Apple stopped making toys for you over a decade ago and you are only just realising it now? I guess this is another consequence of the filter bubble. As all we read on the internet is the opinion of other geeks, we forget that geeks are hopelessly outnumbered by normals and they are the ones Apple is targeting and reaping the r…

The article isn't saying Apple should go back to making servers, he is just saying they are no longer serving him in particular anymore, which is fair.

I will however contend that MY main issue with Apple now a-days is that its actually becoming worse on the "normal person front" (at least when it comes to OS X). Messages for example is a complete disaster. I regularly have to help family members with their Macs (many of which originally moved to the Mac on my insistence ages ago), and I can tell you that they are still quite confused (increasingly so) about how to use these machines. Here is an article that touches on this: http://blog.davidchartier.com/post/36634783567/im-getting-si...

However, I am still pretty happy with iOS/iDevices. I have not been as happy with an Apple product as with the iPad mini in a LONG time. I do agree with others though that if they don't get their act together with "services" (Maps, Sync, basically anything that isn't judged on a purely client side "niceness" scale), it may be an issue for them. However my opinion is that they just shouldn't be bothering with this at all, but that's a whole other story.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

#60
Computer as appliance means not a general-purpose computer. If you cannot use it to execute your own code and access the hardware, then it is not general-purpose. That means the new wave of locked down computers are instead multi-purpose computers - those purposes being defined by what it cannot do.

Apple makes damn good multi-purpose machines for the most common purposes of most people - which they have consistently explained is their company's goal forever. Just look at their general-purpose tools (XServe, Mac Pro, Developer Tools) being neglected, and single-purpose machines being cannibalized (iPod) or taken lightly (Apple TV).

All of Apple's lineup is of respectable quality, but it is obvious where the focus is converging. Now there is an opening for others to explore new general-purpose and single-purpose machines.

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