Anthropic's Method to Losing Goodwill in a Few Easy Steps • Hacker News Board

Re: Anthropic's Method to Losing Goodwill in a Few Easy Steps

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Post by tasuki » Mon, Jul 06, 2026, 3:57 PM UTC

stingraycharles wrote: post #59

wmorgan wrote: post #52

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It’s talking about how you can type def frobQux(Qux qux, int radians) { And it goes and reads your code and suggests a reasonable way to frob a qux a certain number of radians. Which is at the same time (a) pretty useful!, (b) fairly new, we’ve only been able to do this since 2023 or so, but (c) also not that hard by 2026 standards because capabilities have advanced so much in the last three years.

Why would anyone be using Fable, Opus or even Sonnet for that type of work? You don’t need an advanced reasoning model for that at all.

> Why would anyone be using Fable, Opus or even Sonnet for that type of work? You don’t need an advanced reasoning model for that at all.

Don't leave me hanging: how do you frob a qux a certain number of radians?

Re: Anthropic's Method to Losing Goodwill in a Few Easy Steps

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Post by bakies » Mon, Jul 06, 2026, 3:58 PM UTC

dukky wrote: post #94

dukky wrote: post #75

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Part of the point is that they've added all sorts of caveats - `claude -p` used to be "using their software", but isn't anymore, even though it's just invoking the same harness non-interactively

https://support.claude.com/en/articles/15036540-use-the-clau... Looks like they actually walked this bit back

"pausing" not walking back, I've already shifted to other harnesses

Re: Anthropic's Method to Losing Goodwill in a Few Easy Steps

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Post by cmrdporcupine » Mon, Jul 06, 2026, 4:03 PM UTC

harry19023 wrote: post #118

internet2000 wrote: post #42

They're subsidizing their tokens as long as you use their software. That's a fair exchange, I never understood why people took issue with it. If you don't want to get locked in to Claude Code, you can pay more. Just like you can pay more for an unlocked non-carrier subsidized phone. (Which I personally do.)

Agreed. The level of entitlement around how we all deserve to use a product in a category that didn't even exist 12 months ago with increasing performance at the same price forever is insane.

C'mon, get real. The monthly subscription costs on these services are several multiples what software engineers have formerly paid for development tools.

I have worked in shops that made it difficult for me just to get a paid for RustRover or CLion license, and had to out of pocket it. The monthly sub for Claude or Codex is equivalent to the total license cost for that.

It's not entitled to expect your $200/month tooling expense to have a level of reliability and consistency.

If your employer is paying for it, fine. I am my own employer. I don't fancy becoming dependent on tooling that costs me as much as my family's whole monthly mobile plan and then having it degrade in unpredictable ways or rug pull me on quota. Or have geo-political drama as part of its release cycle.

Re: Anthropic's Method to Losing Goodwill in a Few Easy Steps

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Post by Barbing » Mon, Jul 06, 2026, 4:04 PM UTC

This post is now number 83 on the third page (at +3hr). When I commented on it earlier, it was near the top of the first page. A result of lots of flagging?

Edit: Compare to the fourth article on the front page:

  4. - Road to Elm 1.0 (elm-lang.org) | 181 points, 4 hours ago

This more recent post has 219 points.

Re: Anthropic's Method to Losing Goodwill in a Few Easy Steps

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Post by butlike » Mon, Jul 06, 2026, 4:05 PM UTC

dcrazy wrote: post #107

cyberax wrote: post #67

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This method of bundling should be illegal in general, as it stiffles competition.

Do you also think all you can eat buffets should be illegal? What about early bird specials? Free soda with a large fry? Happy hour wings? Where does the “bundling” end?

1.) All you can eat buffets ARE the product, not a loss leader, so there's no bundle there.

2.) Early bird specials, again, aren't loss leaders. They're a way to get sales on the left side of the bell curve. The restaurant food is still the product, not a subsidy.

3.) Free soda with large fry doesn't actually exist (though it sounds like it should, right?)

4.) Happy hour wings (again, see #2)

None of these are bundling so I don't really get why you bothered to comment

Re: Anthropic's Method to Losing Goodwill in a Few Easy Steps

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Post by wqaatwt » Mon, Jul 06, 2026, 4:07 PM UTC

helsinkiandrew wrote: post #135

mdavid626 wrote: post #128

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I want only their model, the rest is just garbage. I used Opus with pi.dev, worked perfectly fine. Fast and does exactly what it needs to do. Claude Code is slow, sluggish, buggy. Why are you forcing me to use it? Why should I pay an order of magnitude more to use pi.dev? That doesn't sound reasonable to me.

> Why should I pay an order of magnitude more to use pi.dev? The monthly plans are heavily subsidized by the API users - why should Anthropic subsidize your use of pi.dev?

I’m not sure why are people throwing the word “subsidizing” so much. Do we know that they are actually losing money on subscriptions?

Because if not that’s just normal market segmentation since enterprise users are willing to pay many times mores than private individuals.

Anthropic isn’t setting is’s price based on cost + fixed profit margin they are charging as much as each market is willing to bear..

Re: Anthropic's Method to Losing Goodwill in a Few Easy Steps

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Post by tasuki » Mon, Jul 06, 2026, 4:09 PM UTC

spudlyo wrote: post #38

tomaytotomato wrote: post #13

I have been using Claude code for a while and have recently migrated to Pi Migrating my skills/agents and config was fairly straightforward. Pi's agent harness seems to be more responsive and quicker than CC (perhaps with the prompt caching and squashing it does behind the scenes) Tempted to do a write-up on migration. I am only using Pi with Github Copilot as I am scared I will get my Claude account banned if I use…

Pi is the first, and and only agent I've ever seriously used, which I picked up after watching one of Marco Zechner's talks about it. His design approach and vision for pi resonated with me, and I've pretty much used it every day since. I, like Marco, am also a grumpy old person, so that might have had something to do with it. I have my own customizations for things like fuzzy autocompleting the name of Emacs buffers…

FYI the name is Mario Zechner[0]. I'm also grumpy and old and also use Pi for the same reasons as you. I also use an OpenAI subscription (the models aren't entirely bad), but am ready to jump ship to OpenCode Go or GLM Coding Plan any minute. And I've been watching the Claude Code shitshow with glee!

[0]: https://mariozechner.at/

Re: Anthropic's Method to Losing Goodwill in a Few Easy Steps

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Post by wqaatwt » Mon, Jul 06, 2026, 4:12 PM UTC

harry19023 wrote: post #118

internet2000 wrote: post #42

They're subsidizing their tokens as long as you use their software. That's a fair exchange, I never understood why people took issue with it. If you don't want to get locked in to Claude Code, you can pay more. Just like you can pay more for an unlocked non-carrier subsidized phone. (Which I personally do.)

Agreed. The level of entitlement around how we all deserve to use a product in a category that didn't even exist 12 months ago with increasing performance at the same price forever is insane.

Consumers want to pay as little as possible and companies want to charge them as much as they possibly can. That’s how markets work I don’t understand what does “entitlement” have to do with anything. If loud consumers somehow manage to coerce companies into lowering prices/offering better products that’s a massive win for almost everyone (of course usually its just noise that doesn’t change anything, however it did work on a few occasions).

Re: Anthropic's Method to Losing Goodwill in a Few Easy Steps

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jul 06, 2026, 4:16 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #90

Forgeties79 wrote: post #87

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>The global LLM market seems trending towards fragmentation. Wait until investors stop giving out money out of FOMO. Google/Facebook/etc. gonna swoop in on anyone who is remotely viable and independent anyway

> Wait until investors stop giving out money out of FOMO OpenRouter isn’t subsidizing much. No subsidy would mean the subscriptions go away in favor of API only. That doesn’t really speak at all to either of your points regarding consolidation or lock-in.

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Re: Anthropic's Method to Losing Goodwill in a Few Easy Steps

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Post by wqaatwt » Mon, Jul 06, 2026, 4:16 PM UTC

andrewmutz wrote: post #146

harry19023 wrote: post #118

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Agreed. The level of entitlement around how we all deserve to use a product in a category that didn't even exist 12 months ago with increasing performance at the same price forever is insane.

I also think that the people who are complaining loudest about Anthropics pricing and changes are the customers Anthropic is least interested in retaining. From my experience people who complain loudly about the price tend to be people who are either (1) working primarily on hobby projects so are unwilling to pay much for Claude Code or (2) using astronomical amount of tokens through elaborately orchestrated multi-ag…

Short term yes. But there is a reason why IDEs, game engine and other development tools have very high cheap or free versions for this market segment. Since these users end up having a huge influence on what companies they work at / end up working at spend their money on.

Of course LLMs are a commodity at this point but if someone is using Codex, Pi etc. at home it becomes more likely they won’t be picking Claude Code at their day job either.