Btw, they are also getting aggressive with bans. Furthermore the process to repeal is broken in the UI, and there is no way to get support
Anthropic's Method to Losing Goodwill in a Few Easy Steps
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#42They're subsidizing their tokens as long as you use their software. That's a fair exchange, I never understood why people took issue with it.
If you don't want to get locked in to Claude Code, you can pay more. Just like you can pay more for an unlocked non-carrier subsidized phone. (Which I personally do.)
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#43The lawsuits will come, paying the piper is inevitable.
Who would sue, and on what ground? They basically gave stuff away for free and now they're speed-running enshittification. The end state will be an abusive, adversarial, fully monetized, vendor lockin experience like Oracle or Broadcom. Nobody is forced to play.
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#44Complaining about external providers not supporting the subsidized prices Claude charge to its subscribers makes no sense. Of course, Claude Code subscription is a loss leader, it is an offering built to create a market for a new product in a very competitive environment in the hopes of capturing a dominant market position with a fully validated product with a healthy demand from business. Of course they won't give y…
> Why people get surprised with that stuff?
Whenever you don't understand how people can think things on the internet, consider that they might be younger than you. They may not be, but it makes the world far less rage inducing. None of us are born knowing everything.
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#45It worth noting that – just to add to the confusion – they apparently cancelled the June 15th change just before it was due to go live: https://support.claude.com/en/articles/15036540-use-the-clau... https://the-decoder.com/anthropic-backs-off-unpopular-billin... So... maybe we can still use third party harnesses with Claude Code subscriptions... for now? Until they change their mind again?
> So... maybe we can still use third party harnesses with Claude Code subscriptions... for now? The way I read this is: yes, if the third party harness uses Anthropic's Agent SDK. Most of them do not, AFAIK, and are still against ToS (though maybe its not enforced for now)
I believe you're right and I'm familiar with the actual distinction – the confusion is mostly about how they _feel_ about it, and what'll change from here.
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#46It worth noting that – just to add to the confusion – they apparently cancelled the June 15th change just before it was due to go live: https://support.claude.com/en/articles/15036540-use-the-clau... https://the-decoder.com/anthropic-backs-off-unpopular-billin... So... maybe we can still use third party harnesses with Claude Code subscriptions... for now? Until they change their mind again?
They didn't apparently cancel it, they did cancel it. I'm still using a third party harness absolutely fine.
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#47Not sure why this was flagged, Anthropic has obviously been burning bridges. I thought this line was funny though: > If you want to autocomplete, like I do, you don’t need Fable, or even Opus; Sonnet works fine. It reads like "if you want to go to the grocery store, you don't need a space shuttle, or even a SR-71 Blackbird; a Cessna works fine."
Are you saying that using LLMs for code autocomplete is like using an aeroplane to go to the grocery store? Because clearly there was no autocomplete before the new AI spring.
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#48Think I'm about to switch. I can't build the automations i'm trying to with claude code anymore. Since they locked away the non-interactive usage and channels can't be used without interacting with the console on startup. I had a good web interface for running CC in containers in k8s but I think it's time to bail out and build around a codex subscription and pi.dev now. I have local models hooked up to pi dev and tha…
It reminds me of people who built businesses on top of APIs provided by Facebook, Reddit, etc. One day the company decides to rug pull the public interface, either to replace it with their own competing product or nothing at all. The anti-competitive pratice makes sense but what I don't understand is the latter case, which is common, where the company is just removing possibilities of how users can participate in the…
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#49> As of writing, Claude Code CLI only has around 9100 open Github issues, with small unresolved issues like it completely freezing for the last 6+ months or a screen flickering issue open for more than a year.
But surely those fully autonomous coding loops will solve all those 9,100+ open issues on GitHub? Why haven't they?
What happened to Claude's C Compiler [0], or that browser "built from scratch" by Cursor? [1]
Why aren't the agents maintaining it if they are supposed to be cheaper than humans?
> But why do they have us by the balls? Dario and Boris have us convinced that “coding is solved” with their loops. But microwaves didn’t solve cooking.
They have you by the balls if you allow them to, if you continue to listen to their bullshit.
Both of them are essentially salesmen at this point. They don't care if they are wrong and will sell Claude to whoever is thinking of planning the next mass layoff. Their definition of "AGI" is different to yours.
The correct answer to all of this pricing nonsense that Anthropic and others are doing is local open weight models that you run on your own machine. They know this and powerful local models undercut their entire business model if hosted by others or if a smaller local model matches the performance of larger ones.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Open models like GLM 5.2 are getting good enough to handle 90% of tasks, and will eat most of their usage unless they start serving it at cost. Most people either don’t have the money to buy hardware to run open models and/or don’t have the utilisation to make renting cost effective.
https://openrouter.ai/models you can use these in hermes, cursor, openclaw, opencode, etc with 2 lines of config that claude code will happily do for you if you ask GLM 5.2, deepseek 4 Flash and the newly released Hy3 are Opus 4.8 and Sonnet 4.6 level models at a tiny fraction of the cost. I'm on the $200 claude plan and blew through my weekly limits with Fable in a day, then ended up wasting $20 with opus 4.8 overag…
Ahhh that makes a lot more sense. Thanks for the detailed explanation.