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Anthropic's Method to Losing Goodwill in a Few Easy Steps

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Re: Anthropic's Method to Losing Goodwill in a Few Easy Steps

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post #12

The lawsuits will come, paying the piper is inevitable.

Who would sue, and on what ground? They basically gave stuff away for free and now they're speed-running enshittification. The end state will be an abusive, adversarial, fully monetized, vendor lockin experience like Oracle or Broadcom. Nobody is forced to play.

Switching costs are still low. Anthropic can only do this while they maintain frontier status, and while they do, they can charge whatever they want. An Oracle or Broadcom would fall behind and lose all its customers in an instant.

Re: Anthropic's Method to Losing Goodwill in a Few Easy Steps

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Complaining about external providers not supporting the subsidized prices Claude charge to its subscribers makes no sense. Of course, Claude Code subscription is a loss leader, it is an offering built to create a market for a new product in a very competitive environment in the hopes of capturing a dominant market position with a fully validated product with a healthy demand from business.

Of course they won't give you thousands of dollars of inference for a couple hundred bucks without making sure you're properly tied to their walled garden.

Yeah, of course Dario and any other Anthropic spoke person will vastly exaggerate the capabilities of their product and promote vibe coding and now "loop engineering", just like Coca-Cola would love for you to drink gallons of Diet Coke everyday, just like Oracle some twenty ago promoted for Enterprises that they could just use Oracle Databases to serve web applications right from the DB, as this would force you to use more CPUs and Oracle DB is licensed by core.

The business model for inference is metered usage, more usage => mode money. Again, the subscription model is just a bump in the road to acquire customers, once you're metered, the more you use, the better for anthropic.

Why people get surprised with that stuff?

Re: Anthropic's Method to Losing Goodwill in a Few Easy Steps

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post #6

Think I'm about to switch. I can't build the automations i'm trying to with claude code anymore. Since they locked away the non-interactive usage and channels can't be used without interacting with the console on startup. I had a good web interface for running CC in containers in k8s but I think it's time to bail out and build around a codex subscription and pi.dev now. I have local models hooked up to pi dev and tha…

I'm happy using Codex for alternative harnesses and non-interactive usage, but it does make me wonder when OpenAI will start to squeeze their customers in the same way.

Re: Anthropic's Method to Losing Goodwill in a Few Easy Steps

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I have been using Claude code for a while and have recently migrated to Pi Migrating my skills/agents and config was fairly straightforward. Pi's agent harness seems to be more responsive and quicker than CC (perhaps with the prompt caching and squashing it does behind the scenes) Tempted to do a write-up on migration. I am only using Pi with Github Copilot as I am scared I will get my Claude account banned if I use…

what is the current statement on Oauth Claude use with Pi. I remember there was some back and forth from Anthropic? I currently use my Claude sub with Pi.

Re: Anthropic's Method to Losing Goodwill in a Few Easy Steps

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post #7

It worth noting that – just to add to the confusion – they apparently cancelled the June 15th change just before it was due to go live: https://support.claude.com/en/articles/15036540-use-the-clau... https://the-decoder.com/anthropic-backs-off-unpopular-billin... So... maybe we can still use third party harnesses with Claude Code subscriptions... for now? Until they change their mind again?

> So... maybe we can still use third party harnesses with Claude Code subscriptions... for now?

The way I read this is: yes, if the third party harness uses Anthropic's Agent SDK. Most of them do not, AFAIK, and are still against ToS (though maybe its not enforced for now)

Re: Anthropic's Method to Losing Goodwill in a Few Easy Steps

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post #5
post #2

Not sure why this was flagged, Anthropic has obviously been burning bridges. I thought this line was funny though: > If you want to autocomplete, like I do, you don’t need Fable, or even Opus; Sonnet works fine. It reads like "if you want to go to the grocery store, you don't need a space shuttle, or even a SR-71 Blackbird; a Cessna works fine."

Sounds like the author is using "autocomplete" as a derogatory way of referring to LLMs in general (eg. "LLMs can't code, they're just autocomplete on steroids")

Then the author needs to be more specific because there are special models for code autocomplete that are much faster.

Re: Anthropic's Method to Losing Goodwill in a Few Easy Steps

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Anthropic takes every chance they make not only to behave suspicious and anti-consumer but also announce that they are acting in ways that hurt you while telling you it’s a feature. Fable returning wrong answers if it suspects the topic is sensative is the ultimate icing on the huge cake of lies and gaslighting they’ve been baking the past 6 months.

> Fable returning wrong answers if it suspects the topic is sensative

Citation, please? On the original release they downgraded models silently to Opus 4.8 when they suspected it was being used for LLM development, but they stopped doing that. Now when you hit one of the guardrail subjects it downgrades to Opus 4.8 visibly in all cases.

I've never seen anything suggesting they're deliberately returning wrong answers. Maybe you're thinking of Gemini's anti-distillation tech?

Re: Anthropic's Method to Losing Goodwill in a Few Easy Steps

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> Your Claude subscription—which is a cheaper version of the Anthropic API—is restricted to use with the Claude Code CLI/Desktop, Claude CoWork, or @Claude in Slack.

Thats not true at all. You can use the Agent SDK [1], which uses your subscription [2]. I use it via ACP [3] with custom system prompts and tooling. I have found it very powerful and flexible. It has its own agent loop, of course, so maybe thats the limitation using it with opencode?

[1] https://code.claude.com/docs/en/agent-sdk/overview

[2] They were talking about giving credits for the SDK usage rather than it using your allowance directly, but that seems to have been put on hold for now. If and when that changes, I will likely jump ship, but I am more than happy with it right now.

[3] there isn't an official ACP wrapper - zed have one but its quite limited. its trivial to build one though, or you can just use the SDK directly and wire it into your interface of choice.

Re: Anthropic's Method to Losing Goodwill in a Few Easy Steps

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post #6

Think I'm about to switch. I can't build the automations i'm trying to with claude code anymore. Since they locked away the non-interactive usage and channels can't be used without interacting with the console on startup. I had a good web interface for running CC in containers in k8s but I think it's time to bail out and build around a codex subscription and pi.dev now. I have local models hooked up to pi dev and tha…

It reminds me of people who built businesses on top of APIs provided by Facebook, Reddit, etc. One day the company decides to rug pull the public interface, either to replace it with their own competing product or nothing at all. The anti-competitive pratice makes sense but what I don't understand is the latter case, which is common, where the company is just removing possibilities of how users can participate in the…

Wasn't facebooks pull a result of the huge Cambridge analytica scandal.

Re: Anthropic's Method to Losing Goodwill in a Few Easy Steps

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post #7

It worth noting that – just to add to the confusion – they apparently cancelled the June 15th change just before it was due to go live: https://support.claude.com/en/articles/15036540-use-the-clau... https://the-decoder.com/anthropic-backs-off-unpopular-billin... So... maybe we can still use third party harnesses with Claude Code subscriptions... for now? Until they change their mind again?

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