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Cannabis users face substantially higher risk of heart attack (2025)

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Post by CaptWillard »

xprnio wrote: post #68
detourdog wrote: post #44

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Not to mention cocaine.

The cannabis to cocaine pipeline sadly is real, whether we want to or not. As long as the same people we buy our weed from also have a chance of being the people that have cocaine for you to buy, all that’s left to figure out is the money and the willingness to buy some. (Sadly speaking from experience)

What you describe is one of the reasons I've always favored legalization of cannabis (though I wouldn't describe it as a "pipeline")

I didn't want my kids to have any reason to know the types of people we had to deal with.

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Post by CaptWillard »

dyauspitr wrote: post #132
teekert wrote: post #27

I wonder about all the confounding effects. In my country (famous for cannabis to be easy to come by (for decades already), and I saw many smoke from age 16 up as I grew up in 90's, 00's). I have always felt that the heavy cannabis smokers had something to compensate; stress, unrest, impending depression, friction with parents. It was never the healthy sporty types with fulfilling relationships, good grades or a nice…

Definitely. The healthy sport academic types stay pretty far away from any kind of mind altering drugs.

I've known a lot of academics and more than a few (adult) athletes, and in my experience, cannabis is quite popular in both crowds.

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Post by Obscurity4340 »

ear7h wrote: post #21

Some commenters here talking about anxiety, but I think the bigger cause, which many people don't know, is that THC significantly increases your heart rate despite it's usual characterization as a depressant. If I recall correctly (big "if" considering the circumstances hah) my heart rate after smoking would go up by 10-20 BPM (from 65-70 to 80-90) while still feeling relaxed; ~~finding some numbers on this from a re…

What did you tend to listen to or watch ambiently though while under its influence?

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Post by dieselgate »

CaptWillard wrote: post #252
dyauspitr wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definitely. The healthy sport academic types stay pretty far away from any kind of mind altering drugs.

I've known a lot of academics and more than a few (adult) athletes, and in my experience, cannabis is quite popular in both crowds.

I think above commentators may be referring to heavy multi-times-per-day usage patterns rather than casual or semi-casual.

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Post by uwagar »

DANmode wrote: post #161
NorthSouthNorth wrote: post #142

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You can cold-turkey it. Know daily smokers who (temporarily) quit for multiple reasons, e.g. medical reasons, job, extended travelling. From what I have seen, there are no side effects at all. They go back to smoking when the opportunity arises, but that's another story.

> From what I have seen, there are no side effects at all. You haven’t seen enough.

yes there are no side effects. i have cold turkeyed twice (once when actually in turkey). and nothing bad happened. even AI was telling nothing bad wud happen. but im usually a light user. say 4 joints a day with 4 grains of # in each.

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Post by uwagar »

goodroot wrote: post #76
sandcat_ wrote: post #8

Not really related, but the other thing I found out recently that cannabis can cause is the worst panic attack I have ever experienced: a DPDR (derealization / depersonalization) panic attack. I’ve had regular panic attacks before. I get one a year, roughly, where I get essentially heart attack symptoms. But this was something else. It felt like something was truly, irrevocably broken with my mind and I couldn’t even…

In social systems or spiritual systems where cannabis is used, this is often called "going clear". We (general West) have no overarching myth or support system to help people navigate this type of pure madness. We have a psychological framework, and anything that interferes with our capacity to construct an I, a me, an ego in real time is seen in the most ultimately negative terms. And the experience is terrifying, s…

i enjoyed reading your post. i'd love to know more about this "going clear". in my case, i have noticed that if you persist with cannabis inspite of the anxiety..u somehow come out on "top" ie solve the problem causing anxiety.

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Post by nephihaha »

Thraway198 wrote: post #229
nephihaha wrote: post #211

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In the UK currently, an estimated third of cigarettes are illegal, because of the high duty on tobacco. What will probably happen here is that the British government will do the same if cannabis is legalised. They are already starting ensuring that only they and their friends can supply medical cannabis, meaning that we don't have a proper open market before it's even started.

Well idk, we had some kind of open market here in Canada and it just ended up with a few big players, a million bankruptcies and weed for under $10 CAD a gram.

Some of those Canadian people probably did not have a good business plan, but it is clear the British government doesn't like the idea of a small grower with a few plants. Even though that should be allowed as much as it is with brewing.

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Post by Thraway198 »

nephihaha wrote: post #257
Thraway198 wrote: post #229

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Well idk, we had some kind of open market here in Canada and it just ended up with a few big players, a million bankruptcies and weed for under $10 CAD a gram.

Some of those Canadian people probably did not have a good business plan, but it is clear the British government doesn't like the idea of a small grower with a few plants. Even though that should be allowed as much as it is with brewing.

Growing is totally separate from selling though. I don't know about the UK case but in Canada, there was intense opposition from Conservatives towards any amount of pot being allowed to be homegrown.

There were Conservative politicians who got up and publicly said that toddlers would die cause they'd eat marijuana plants grown by their parents!

I wouldn't blame the business plans so much. A lot of them applied for licenses but didn't get theirs approved till after the huge players did. By then, the market had already consolidated.

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Post by DANmode »

uwagar wrote: post #255
DANmode wrote: post #161

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> From what I have seen, there are no side effects at all. You haven’t seen enough.

yes there are no side effects. i have cold turkeyed twice (once when actually in turkey). and nothing bad happened. even AI was telling nothing bad wud happen. but im usually a light user. say 4 joints a day with 4 grains of # in each.

It really depends on your physiology.

People quit cigarettes without incident, too!

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Post by DANmode »

SoftTalker wrote: post #164
DANmode wrote: post #161

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> From what I have seen, there are no side effects at all. You haven’t seen enough.

Yeah I know someone who is having real trouble stopping, he can cold-turkey for a few days but always starts up again. I think he has poor impulse control, which maybe GLP-1s could help, as some studies seem to indicate they help with cravings/impulsive behavior generally. I don't know if any MD would prescribe it for that, he's not obese so could not get it on that basis.

He looks like he’s really addicted to sports betting to me!

Worth trying a tiny dose, from what I understand.

Exploring what he’s self-medicating (and if it can actually be addressed otherwise), is worthwhile, too.

Brain and body/physiology are careful balancing acts!

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