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Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

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Post by throw-qqqqq »

andreygrehov wrote: post #476

Who cares what Zuckerberg says about AI agents? He is a PHP developer from the early '00s who got lucky with Facebook. He's not an AI scientist or an AI researcher. What authority does he have to speak on the future of AI agents? Morale at his company is at an ATL, and that says more about his leadership skills he'd better off focusing on, otherwise the agents might replace him soon.

> He's not an AI scientist or an AI researcher

Perhaps he employs some, you know, to inform him on the topic?

Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

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Post by doubleorseven »

everdrive wrote: post #484
andreygrehov wrote: post #476

Who cares what Zuckerberg says about AI agents? He is a PHP developer from the early '00s who got lucky with Facebook. He's not an AI scientist or an AI researcher. What authority does he have to speak on the future of AI agents? Morale at his company is at an ATL, and that says more about his leadership skills he'd better off focusing on, otherwise the agents might replace him soon.

I don't like Zuckerberg whatsoever, but there are plenty of reasons you could potentially care about his opinion: - He could be well-placed to see whether AI agent development is successful since at a high level he oversees much of it, and will be getting detailed metrics and things. - Whether or not his opinion is correct, tech CEOs are notorious trend-chasers, and his opinion could set the tone for other companies.…

- Whether or not his opinion is correct, tech CEOs are notorious trend-chasers, and his opinion could set the tone for other companies

exactly why I won't listen to someone who is falling behind.

Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

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Post by hatefulheart »

baq wrote: post #487
hatefulheart wrote: post #481

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure thing, just like I’ve been checking back on people over the last 3 years. I’ll hit you up too.

Past performance is not indicative of future results. We're riding an exponential here for Pete's sake.

We all know the future results of a lame horse.

Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

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Post by hlynurd »

hatefulheart wrote: post #462
ben_w wrote: post #449

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> These two not mutually exclusive? Correct, they are not. Consider: Someone who "expects" their bank account to have $100M in it before they turn 30 and "only" gets it to $10M. From the point of view of a normal sane person, they are experiencing "wild success", and yet at the same time they are definitely "going slower than [they] expected".

[flagged]

Are you sure you are not the troll? Your rhetoric is highly aggressive.

Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

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Post by nprateem »

onion2k wrote: post #315
efficax wrote: post #115

I was worried this time last year that by this time this year, companies would have slashed their engineering teams down to a handful and everything would be driven by mostly autonomous agents with human guidance. But it just hasn't happened. Do I write all my code with an agent now? Yes. Can you just give an agent a desired outcome and let it work, unsupervised? Absolutely not. I can produce more code than I used to…

Do I write all my code with an agent now? Yes. Can you just give an agent a desired outcome and let it work, unsupervised? Absolutely not. I strongly suspect that developers moving from writing code to managing agents to write code for them is very similar to developers moving into leadership and management roles and managing ICs to write code for them. Some devs just 'get it' and thrive, leading a team really well a…

There's just no escaping from making decisions. Agents can't reliably make them as many rely on tacit knowledge which isn't written down.

This bottleneck will always have to exist unless companies just accept AI defaults, with predictable outcomes.

Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

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Post by chasd00 »

onion2k wrote: post #315
efficax wrote: post #115

I was worried this time last year that by this time this year, companies would have slashed their engineering teams down to a handful and everything would be driven by mostly autonomous agents with human guidance. But it just hasn't happened. Do I write all my code with an agent now? Yes. Can you just give an agent a desired outcome and let it work, unsupervised? Absolutely not. I can produce more code than I used to…

Do I write all my code with an agent now? Yes. Can you just give an agent a desired outcome and let it work, unsupervised? Absolutely not. I strongly suspect that developers moving from writing code to managing agents to write code for them is very similar to developers moving into leadership and management roles and managing ICs to write code for them. Some devs just 'get it' and thrive, leading a team really well a…

> Some devs just 'get it' and thrive, leading a team really well and building a great culture.

I think what makes a dev well suited for AI isn't the same as managing a team. What really helped me get productive is having to write a lot of user stories and acceptance criteria with the wisdom of being a dev tasked with implementing them. Also, being on the refinement calls, answering questions, and updating requirements/AC is good feedback for authoring better requirements. If you're good at authoring requirements, checking output, and communicating corrections concisely then you can get the LLMs to sing.

Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

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Post by tmule »

throw-qqqqq wrote: post #491
andreygrehov wrote: post #476

Who cares what Zuckerberg says about AI agents? He is a PHP developer from the early '00s who got lucky with Facebook. He's not an AI scientist or an AI researcher. What authority does he have to speak on the future of AI agents? Morale at his company is at an ATL, and that says more about his leadership skills he'd better off focusing on, otherwise the agents might replace him soon.

> He's not an AI scientist or an AI researcher Perhaps he employs some, you know, to inform him on the topic?

The same folks who informed him about how awesome Behemoth was?

Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

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Post by efromvt »

onion2k wrote: post #315
efficax wrote: post #115

I was worried this time last year that by this time this year, companies would have slashed their engineering teams down to a handful and everything would be driven by mostly autonomous agents with human guidance. But it just hasn't happened. Do I write all my code with an agent now? Yes. Can you just give an agent a desired outcome and let it work, unsupervised? Absolutely not. I can produce more code than I used to…

Do I write all my code with an agent now? Yes. Can you just give an agent a desired outcome and let it work, unsupervised? Absolutely not. I strongly suspect that developers moving from writing code to managing agents to write code for them is very similar to developers moving into leadership and management roles and managing ICs to write code for them. Some devs just 'get it' and thrive, leading a team really well a…

I find it interesting that when drawing this parallel you mention that some devs 'get it' and 'build a great culture'; I think this is exactly where the analogy breaks down. Good managers get great results from people (and for people! they are linked).

Good AI managers are just running optimization loops at more declarative levels. Yeah, you need to get comfortable with less personal review of code for both, but I think the differences outweigh the commonalities - it's much easier for someone with a more 'traditional' IC model to be successful with agents then they would be with management, and I think most (good) management training would be entirely irrelevant. Parallels are maybe tighter to higher IC progressions.

Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

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Post by nwienert »

skeledrew wrote: post #194
wrxd wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or it will stay the same as the efficiency gains will be eaten up by bigger models

Nah they'll hit a ceiling. Can only get so big before things collapse. And besides, they've already churned through the Internet's data. Not much new content left in the wild and patterns in other data forms (audio, image, etc should be pretty low by comparison.

I agree we're at diminishing returns, but when brain scanning gets good enough you have a better dataset than the internet, Facebook is deep into that research.

Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

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Post by coffeefirst »

zkmon wrote: post #307

> he expects that the social media giant will begin to experience more significant benefits from its AI investments within the next three to six months. He is hallucinating just like AI, and unable to come to terms with the facts on the ground. Meta has lost plot about 5 years back - with metaverse, VR, glasses and AI. They should sit back and think with a calm head, about what exactly their core product is. Unfortun…

Sunk cost fallacy.
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