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Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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The craziest to me was someone saying “we are using AI in daily processes, now we need to automate”. But of course to some asshole non-technical people it meant asking for their vibe coded bullshit to be merged into production without review and fighting about it.

The craziest for me is companies that sticking stochastic agents into automated business processes and expecting stable/reliable outcomes. Businesses want deterministic processes in the vast majority of cases.

People really need to read Dijkstras Go to statement considered harmful letter [1]. If the obscurity of go to for static analysis of the code was too much, of course bringing in a literal ai black box is harmful for stable processes.

[1] https://homepages.cwi.nl/~storm/teaching/reader/Dijkstra68.p...

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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> I shot down similar arguments in favor of outsourcing overseas for years. Outsourcing any critical logic to an LLM is even worse. Outsourcing to another continent of humans and supplementing workflows with LLMs are entirely different operational universes. I think it is fair to put them on the same spectrum, but they're really far apart. I'd argue outsourcing is a far more aggressive abdication of ownership of the…

Other than the delay time, I'm not sure I see the difference. You're removing your primary from the job of writing code, putting them into an editorial role, which removes responsibility and agency and actual hands-on understanding. The quality of the code is beside the point. More friction (language barriers, time zone difference) is actually better if you want to maintain institutional knowledge, because it require…

I reject the premise that using LLMs absolutely leads to loss of institutional knowledge. It is trivial for an LLM to generate a knowledge base of any kind in any language which can answer any question about your institution at any time. How is a bunch of fragmented humans with limited knowledge who can’t all communicate with each other better than that?

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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> I shot down similar arguments in favor of outsourcing overseas for years. Outsourcing any critical logic to an LLM is even worse. Outsourcing to another continent of humans and supplementing workflows with LLMs are entirely different operational universes. I think it is fair to put them on the same spectrum, but they're really far apart. I'd argue outsourcing is a far more aggressive abdication of ownership of the…

No need for the downvotes imho. Can’t speak for u/noduerme but in putting outsourcing (labor, LLM/AI) in the same basket I don’t see a category mistake, but a dry way of looking at business. What are the risks, what are the rewards, what future skills are we at risk of losing (the business logic part) if we go in direction XYZ. Something completely different (but with the same logic): do you outsource legal, hire you…

since when did HN have downvotes?

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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I wonder if clues like this will be what are written in history books as the beginning of the bubble bursting.

I don't think that people relying on the tools too much is the first sign I would identify to mean the bubble is popping

No, the clue is people realizing that relying on the tools costs too damn much. The tools may be fine-ish for what they do, but there might be a bubble built on unrealistically high expectations of revenues.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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Has anyone already tried 5.6 Sol in their day to day coding/development activities? How does it compare to GPT-5.5?

Has it been released yet? I'm not seeing GPT 5.6 anywhere in the selectors, nor any announcement about it, but you're talking about it as it's already been released?

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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Other than the delay time, I'm not sure I see the difference. You're removing your primary from the job of writing code, putting them into an editorial role, which removes responsibility and agency and actual hands-on understanding. The quality of the code is beside the point. More friction (language barriers, time zone difference) is actually better if you want to maintain institutional knowledge, because it require…

I reject the premise that using LLMs absolutely leads to loss of institutional knowledge. It is trivial for an LLM to generate a knowledge base of any kind in any language which can answer any question about your institution at any time. How is a bunch of fragmented humans with limited knowledge who can’t all communicate with each other better than that?

If you're not being sarcastic, you answered your own question. LLMs can absolutely do whatever you tell them to, which rapidly leads to the creation of a dependency if you begin building upon that as an assumption.

I've, for better or for worse, jumped full-on in with LLMs, and I can already feel my abilities radically declining over time. That's fine by me, but if you're a company looking to protect your institutional advantage - just handing over everything to an LLM suddenly means anybody can do exactly what you're doing, literally. At best and this is an absolute best case scenario, you're transferring your advantage to the stewardship of another company.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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Not including their best model in a max subscription would otherwise be truly a good reason for once to consider going back to openai for me. I'll at least try it.

At least Anthropic have a max subscription for corporate. Codex is only pay-as-you-go pricing beyond the base plan. Hence I'm stuck with Opus for work for the foreseeable future.

> Codex is only pay-as-you-go pricing beyond the base plan

I don't think so, I'm on a ~$200 subscription (guessing that counts as way beyond "base plan") and have no pay-as-you-go pricing at all, using the OpenAI APIs would be way too expensive for me.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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I'm working in large US corporation. And I see that I already have access to 5.6-Sol Ultra on my corporate account. I haven't really used it yet. 2 months ago management was showing us scoreboards, praising leaders who used most tokens. Last few weeks, we're getting weekly emails, telling us that whenever we can - we should use cheaper models, and that we should watch the page which shows our tokens usage.

Same here. It's insane that big, conservative tech companies would sign contracts saying "allow our engineers to use however much they want, we'll pay the bill later, no matter what it costs". In any other domain my company would insist on prior permission, and soft usage caps, and hard usage caps, and real-time tracking of actual dollar amounts (not just opaque tokens/credits, not just an after-the-fact view on a dashboard).

The AI companies' salespeople must be the greatest geniuses in the history of the world.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex

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Maybe you jest, but I'll bite. > Tf is sol? It's a proper noun: the name given to their latest and greatest model. Means "Sun" in Latin. Similar to how Anthropic has been naming its models Fable, Opus, Sonnet etc. Their other models are called Terra (Latin: Earth) and Luna (Latin: Moon) [0]. > Tf is ultra? The name of the "harness" around the model. It'll use deeper thinking, subagents and all that jazz in response t…

Of course I understand all this, but why the cuteness? Why not just say " 2 agent? > Something like GLM-4-32B-0414-128K (not made up [2]) doesn't quite roll off the tongue I suppose. Surely it would sell better though if they could communicate what they're selling? > Coding agent" similar to Claude Code [1], something with a more descriptive name. Does this really need branding at all? Surely claude should sell itsel…

It's to create an in-group, and you are in the out-group.
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